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Re: [lojban] xoi and new soi as bridi relative clause



On 23/07/2015 23:15, Jorge Llambías wrote:

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:52 PM, guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
2015-07-23 20:28 GMT+00:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>
> A variable bound within a relative clause is not available to be used
> outside the relative clause. The scope of the quantifier is limited to the
> relative clause only.
This understanding would solve all my problems. However, my problems come exactly from doubt on this understanding. Could you explain the reason for that a variable bound within a relative clause is not available to be used outside the relative clause in spite of they stand on the same universe of discourse on the outer bridi?

That's just how first order predicate logic works. A quantifier quantifies a bridi. The variable is just a place-keeping device, internal to the mechanism of quantification, it doesn't refer to anything, so it can't be used from outside the bridi as if it referred to something. It has nothing to do with universe of discourse. 

mu'o mi'e xorxes

Please correctly if I made any mistake:

ro da poi ke'a su'o de viska cu se kanla su'o di
= ro da poi su'o de zo'u ke'a de viska ku'o su'o di zo'u di da kanla
= ro da zo'u ganai su'o de zo'u da de viska gi su'o di zo'u di da kanla
= roldza fa loka ko'a ce'ai ganai suzdza fa loka ko'a ce'u viska gi suzdza fa loka ce'u ko'a kanla
= roldza fa loka ko'a ce'ai zilvlina fa lodu'u jitfa fa lodu'u suzdza fa loka ko'a ce'u viska kei kei kei fe lodu'u suzdza fa loka ce'u ko'a kanla

With this expansion, you can see that actually da/de/di outside of a prenex expand to {ce'u}, so it is an open slot used for making properties of which we will quantify how many entities they are satisfied with, using logical quantification predicates (roldza, suzdza).

mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o


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