Re: [lojban] Favorite natlang learning apps/programs/systems?

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From: Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 21:40:57 +0300

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2015-10-11 20:42 GMT+03:00 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>:

I'm going to go learn Spanish (ideally Mexican, but whatever). Any
suggestions? I'm probably going to use memrise for the vocab
memorization part, so I'm particularly looking for suggestions on
the grammar learning part.

I'd recommend Pimsleur which makes many people actually talk. It's an audio course (I also tried other courses like Glossika and Michele Thomas, they didn't work for me). You just listen to mp3 files and that's it. No developers have managed to reproduce this powerful method because people are lazy these days.

For Memrise I'd recommend any courses that teach actual phrases, not isolated words. Same for Anki.

Because, you know, it's not Lojban. Verb forms change in Spanish (although for Lojban recommendations are the same). Yo hablo, tu hablas ...

Also Duolingo.

But once again these Supermemo-based flashcard apps (Pimsleur is not one of them) are ... idk they mostly don't teach real language, they teach grammar.

That's what you once complained about Lojban that it lacks idiomatics. Idiomatics not in the sense of metaphors, but ready to use template phrases (vlapoici'e as opposed to vlapoigunma).

For Lojban it's fine, it's mostly a formal grammar language. For Spanish it's largely not.

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