[lojban] Level 0 Booklet location and errata page

As per the discussion below, I would like to add a clarification note in the Level 0 Booklet Errata, except I can't really find it on the MediaWiki - more specifically, I can find a number of pages and I'm not sure which is the correct one to add it to.

This page https://mw.lojban.org/papri/CLL,_aka_Reference_Grammar,_Errata

links to either https://mw.lojban.org/papri/What_is_Lojban_errata or https://mw.lojban.org/papri/level_0_Booklet_Errata_Introduction

but I'm not sure which one to use.

In fact I'm not really sure how to get to the Level 0 Booklet anymore...

This page https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Learning_materials._Secondary_links

links to this page https://mw.lojban.org/papri/level_0_Booklet

which links to this page http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/

which links back to this page http://www.lojban.org/publications/level0.html

which comes up as a bad link saying "The requested page title contains invalid characters: "%3F"."

This needs to be fixed and also simplified (too many redirections).

Also the https://mw.lojban.org/papri/What_is_Lojban%3F page seems to duplicate some home page information when one might have expected it to point to the What is Lojban? publication.

How do I find the Level 0 Booklet and which page do I use for adding errata?

From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 31 March 2015 11:48 PM
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Pronunciation of "o"

I think it is making some assumptions about the reader's dialect of English. In American pronunciation for instance, "joke" and "note" indeed have a sound which could only be the "o" in Lojban. It is not necessarily the preferred Lojban "o" sound, but it is too far from "a" and "au" for any confusion. (This is one of the advantages of not having very many vowels!)

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Timothy Lawrence <timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au> wrote:

Thanks very much, that all makes sense :)

Perhaps the Level 0 Brochure should be updated as its suggested "joke" and "note" appear to be widely pronounced as that diphthong, which led to my confusion.

From: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com <lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com> on behalf of Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 30 March 2015 11:51 PM
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Pronunciation of "o"

Timothy, I understand you are Australian. if the link you provided is indeed how you pronounce "on", then it will probably be confused with the lojban "a". It's closer to how that same website pronounces "north". It should be basically be around either here: or here or in-between (always rounded lips) whereas a hangs around either here or here or in-between always with lips unrounded.

--gejyspa

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:53 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

You are right. Maybe this will also help you:
http://mw.lojban.org/images/b/b1/Lojban_interactive.swf

2015-03-30 15:03 GMT+03:00 Timothy Lawrence <timothy.lawrence@connect.qut.edu.au>:

How is the letter "o" pronounced in Lojban? Is it the monophthong "o", as in English "on"? Is it the diphthong "ow", as in English "own"? (It's hard to describe sounds in writing so I linked to spoken audio samples)

I ask because the pronunciation guide of the "Level 0 Booklet" seems to be indicating it is the latter, based on how I think "joke" and "note" are pronounced: http://lojban.org/publications/level0/brochure-utf/phonol.html
However, from the same page: "Lojban has diphthongs as well, but these are always represented by the two vowels that combine to form them."

I presumed the intent behind Lojban's phonetic spelling was that each letter represents a pure vowel sound and I noted that the pronunciation of "Lojban" on its Wiki article seems to indicate the pronunciation might be the former monophthong: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e2/Jbo-lojban.ogg

Thus I've been presuming "o" in Lojban would be pronounced as in English "on" and thus "ou" would be the Lojbanic diphthong to represent "ow" as in English "own". Is this correct?

Thanks,

Timothy