Re: [lojban] Re: Nomenclature of the periodic table

[MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>]

Although use of "ratni" with appropriate arguments is clear enough for talking about atoms and elements, phrases such as the example given are also rather long and not especially conducive to use in compounds, either linguistic or chemical. 

stevo

On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 1:33 PM, <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

Em quinta-feira, 2 de junho de 2016 17:31:34 UTC+3, la pluja escreveu:

Something that has bugged me the last few days is the current nomenclature of the chemical elements.
I am relatively new to lojban but what I have learned quite early is that lojban tries to name every object/idea/concept systematically.
So for an example the lojban names for days in a week are named after there position in the week.
Monday (or "is a monday") for example is pavdei (a construct of the rafsi of pa and djedi), literally "one-day".

On the other hand the current nomenclature of chemical elements (https://jbo.wikipedia.org/wiki/dikni_selratni_cartu) is based on their trivia names in latin/english or whatsoever.

Why is this? It's like calling monday mondei in lojba.

I propose the chemical elements are called by the number of protons in their nuclei, which defines the chemical element (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element).

An possible implementation would be to combine the rafsi of the numbers with the rafsi of ratni.

An example:
 pavrat

x1 is an atom of atomic number 1 of isotope number/atomic weight x2; x1 is hydrogen of isotope number/atomic weight x2

 

and/or

x1 is a quantity of/contains/is made of hydrogen

The latter definition could of course also be made with gunma or something similar.

Any thoughts on that?

But why not just use e.g. {lo ratni be li pa bei li re} for Deuterium etc.?

For ions like CH3- separate single words could be used of course.

 

(Another proposal which might be discussed is if protons, neutrons and such should be called something equivalent to "up-up-down" [proton]
instead of protoni or nurtoni respectively. Then it would be necessary to define unambigious valsi for quantum states )

I am neither a physician nor an experienced lojbanist but this simply bugged me several days, so what do you think of it?

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