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> On Jul 12, 2016, at 6:08 AM, Bruno Panasiewicz <ciuak.prog@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Just like { mi cizra }, which needs a {jai} (because I'm not an event), { lo briju cu minde } should also be fixed with a {jai}-like cmavo, X. X, contrary to {jai}, would be in SE (because we don't need to use the {jai}-plus-sumtcita feature).
> In order to fix the example, we'd say {zo'ei lo briju cu minde} (which is not very natural), or, using X, {lo briju cu X minde}.
>
> Explaining it with a simple relation might help:
>
> tu'a : jai : (kai'a) ::
> zoi'e : X : Y
>
> It's also worth considering the Y, because it could be useful.
Agreed. A {jai}-like cmavo to perform the action of {zo'ei} would be pretty cool.
First, I would like to point to {jai'a}[1] (in its own selma'o) which latro'a and I coined quite a while ago to promote arbitrary LAhE into selbri transformers. Being able to promote LAhE is cumbersome though, and I think that a {jai}-like {zo'ei} would be enough in practice.
Second, I say "selbri transformer" because although SE can act as selbri transformers, they are overloaded to also operate on BAI (or more generally tags) and on connectives. That being said there is a tradeoff to be made in deciding whether the new cmavo should be in SE or in a new selma'o. Specifically, by placing it in SE without coming up with (ideally useful) semantics about its interactions with tags and connectives opens the door to new kinds of nonsense. On the other hand, everybody understands SE and adding selma'o should be done lightly.
Finally, I don't know what {kai'a} means. Could someone add it to jbovlaste?
.i mi'e la tsani mu'o
[1] http://jbovlaste.lojban.org/dict/jai'a
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