While I am not sure what "more interesting" logics Logjam can't handle, the general point here seems about right. That machine translation has taken the down and dirty bilingual approach rather the interlingual is unfortunate (in the long run and for broader uses) but has always been the case. The rest pretty much follows. Of course, going to a better "logical language" won't help that situation much, nor the international language one. Still, it remains an ideal that Loglan (and so Lojban) threw away on day one and that could be developed from scratch (well, bits and pieces of it have been done over on engelang over the years). Starting from a developed logic (say a Montague intensional system) and proceeding by reversible transformations step by step, one could achieve a speakable language fairly quickly. Certainly more quickly than the Logjam procedure of starting with a speakable language (i.e. basically English with strange flourishes) and trying to build something like a logical system out of it (60 years and still not certainly successful). Of course, just what constitutes a speakable language (and just why an intensional logic lexicalized isn't one) constitutes an initial problem to be dealt with early on, as does the exact formulation of the logic, since there are several competitors, not all obviously equivalent. A nice task for another couple generations, not, happily, mine any more.
pycyn, from before creation.
On Sunday, September 11, 2016 1:33 PM, Thomas Porter <osiris_hades_deathland@hotmail.com> wrote:
What did you expect to happen?
Lojban serves no purpose as a scientific endeavor since the Sapir-Worf Hypothesis has been discredited by other means. It serves no purpose as a machine interlanguage because artificial intelligence projects are focusing on
natural language processing. It serves little purpose as spoken logic because it can't handle more complex or "interesting" logics. And it has never, despite some people's desires, been suited as an international auxiliary
language.
Lojban is a hobby language with an
aging community that has little time for hobbies.
If anything, this is a sign that we
need to begin a new logical language that learns from the failures of the Loglan and Lojban projects.