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Re: [lojban] Re: CLL and modern Lojban



Incidentally, there is a work-in-progress piece of software that aim to translate back and forth between Lojban and a custom logical notation ; the project is called Tersmu: https://gitorious.org/tersmu/tersmu/

There's an interface to it on IRC, it's clearly not finished but is already pretty good.

Here's a few samples of input-output:

• ro mlatu cu mabru
» ∀x1:(mlatu(_)). mabru(x1)

• .e'a do xagji na gi'a citka su'o da
» (xagji(do) → ∃x1. citka(do,x1))

• na ku ro plise cu xunre
» ¬∀x1:(plise(_)). xunre(x1)

• ro te cange poi ponse su'o xasli cu darxi ri
» ∀x1:((cange( , ,_) ∧ ∃x2:(xasli(_)). ponse(_,x2))). darxi(x1,{ri})


On 12/11/2017 02:58, 'John E Clifford' via lojban wrote:
1.  What was the initial screw-up?  FOPL (or HOIL or whatever system you choose) depends upon a clear demarcation of different syntactic types (and the corresponding different semantics).  JCB, from the beginning, scrambled these types: quantifiers (sentence-makers with one variable and one sentence) are terms, conjunctions (sentence-makers with two sentences) are term-makers, modals, tenses and negation (sentence-makers with one sentence) are predicate makers and so on.  How is teh structure that allows a logical system to work to be found in all that muddle?  To be sure, in the interest of speakablity, some such changes will have to come about, but they are at the end of a process of derivation, not at the beginning.  Most of the 60 year Logjam construction process has been rying to patch up this gap -- and there is no evidence that it has succeeded -- or is even going in the right direction.  Monoparsing, yes (pretty much), but not evidence of correct monoparsing.

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