Re: [lojban] Glossing

[Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>]

On 4/25/2019 2:56 PM, Mike S. wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 25, 2019 at 12:02 AM Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org 
> <mailto:phma@bezitopo.org>> wrote:
>
>     Morphematim (morphematatim?) glossing is used in linguistics to show
>     the
>     grammatical structure of text in a language. 
>
>
> Perhaps it could just as well be shortened to "morphatim", assuming 
> "interlinear" is not clear enough.  (For those on the list who were 
> confused like me:  I think it's modeled on the adverb "verbatim" and 
> means "morpheme-by-morpheme").

The term used in linguistics is apparently "Interlinear morphemic 
glossing"  Google on that and on the first page of hits, you will see 
the "Leipzig rules" and a Wikipedia list of standard abbreviations (with 
links to explanations of the abbreviations, most of which I never heard of)

A lot of the abbreviations listed could be applied to various Lojban 
cmavo, or rather the cmavo could be glossed using those abbreviations. 
But the terminology would need to be correlated, with many of the 
abbreviations applying to individual cmavo, especially words in selma'o 
UI (other than attitudinals, such as evidentials which account for 
several of the abbreviations).

Most Lojban attitudinals are probably best considered content words 
expressed at a metalinguistic level, and hence would not use capitalized 
abbreviations.  I have usually glossed attitudinals parenthetically, 
with parentheses in this case indicating a separate metalinguistic level 
from the main text

I'm not particular sure what Pierre intends by o'adai in that sentence; 
not sure who is supposedly feeling pride.  The mother or the listener? 
So I'm just marking the dai as "EMPATH"

> i   lo  bicrbombu  cu  se       bevri      mi o'adai               lo  mamta  be  mi vau
> SEP ART bumblebee? SEP PASS.INV-carried-by-me (pride-EMPATH) [-to] ART mother-OBJ-me TERMIN

I think only SEP (separator), TERMIN (terminator) and EMPATH (empathic 
attitudinal) are not in the standard abbreviations list, and the rest 
should be pretty obvious.  I also used the bracketed [-to] which is 
actually part of the gloss of bevri, as symbolized by the hyphen, put in 
a more readable position (5+ place brivla would be even harder to 
express without such readability aids).

I don't sense that morphemic glossing necessarily is as comprehensive in 
the structure words as Mike S's attempt provides.  After all, English 
has several kinds of articles and they all probably gloss as ART.  There 
is an abbreviation for "definite" (DEF), but none for "indefinite", two 
of the kinds of articles in English.  But probably if we wanted to 
systematize glossing in Lojban we might invent abbreviations to 
distinguish lo, la, lei, and loi (there is no abbreviation for 
mass-nouns either in the standard list)

lojbab



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