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Re: [bpfk] The powers you give me I will lay down when this crisis has been abated!

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Subject: Re: [bpfk] The powers you give me I will lay down when this crisis has been abated!
From: Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 15:53:53 -0800
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Hear, hear. This project must become a doer-ocracy. You're willing to
do the work, and trusted to do the work. This is a great turning point
for Lojban.

-Eppcott


On 11/30/10, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> Ah, forgot to mention: the subject (and the quote) are a joke; I
> ain't layin' down *shit*.  :)  Oust me if I suck, until then, I'ma
> work my ass off.
>
> -Robin
>
> On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 03:19:24PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>>
>>   "It is with great reluctance that I have agreed to this calling. I
>>   love democracy. I love the Republic. The powers you give me I will
>>   lay down when this crisis has been abated! My first act, with this
>>   new authority, is to create a Grand Army of the Republic, to
>>   counter the increasing threat of the Separatists."
>>
>>   --Palpatine announces the creation of the Grand Army of the
>>   Republic
>>
>> I just thought I should be clear: it *is*, in fact, my intention to
>> put arbitrary amounts of work into cleaning everything up entirely
>> by personal fiat.  Y'all can oust me when it's done if you like.  :)
>> See my "what I'm going to do" post from a while back, but with less
>> community input.  :)
>>
>> -Robin
>>
>> ----- Forwarded message from Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> -----
>>
>> Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:27:49 -0300
>> From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
>> To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [bpfk] What I'm going to do.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Robin Lee Powell
>> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:28:32AM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Every January 1st. the BPFK publishes a very concise "State of the
>> >> Language" report, that looks something like this:
>> >
>> > Works for me.  You gonna tell them about your other idea?  :D
>>
>> As you pointed out, the BPFK currently has a very informal structure.
>> The only structured part for now is the jatna position. Therefore,
>> until another structure develops, the yearly "State of the Language"
>> report will be issued by the jatna in the name of the BPFK, with the
>> final decision on its contents fully at the jatna's discretion.
>>
>> Of course we all expect and know that the jatna will take the job
>> seriously and make whatever consultations they deem necessary before
>> acting, but the final decision is the jatna's alone. They might for
>> example prepare a draft report two weeks before January 1st, ask for
>> comments, and then make their decision based on the feedback they
>> receive, or whatever other method they find suitable to prepare the
>> report. The report is about the "State of the Language", not about the
>> "Final Definition of the Language from Here to Eternity", so there's
>> no reason to worry if it's not perfect in every minor detail.
>>
>> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>>
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>> ----- Forwarded message from Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org> -----
>>
>> Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 21:24:10 +0200
>> From: Arnt Richard Johansen <arj@nvg.org>
>> To: bpfk-list@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [bpfk] What I'm going to do.
>>
>> On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 04:27:49PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>> > On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Robin Lee Powell
>> > <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
>> > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:28:32AM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Every January 1st. the BPFK publishes a very concise "State of the
>> > >> Language" report, that looks something like this:
>> > >
>> > > Works for me.  You gonna tell them about your other idea?  :D
>> >
>> > As you pointed out, the BPFK currently has a very informal structure.
>> > The only structured part for now is the jatna position. Therefore,
>> > until another structure develops, the yearly "State of the Language"
>> > report will be issued by the jatna in the name of the BPFK, with the
>> > final decision on its contents fully at the jatna's discretion.
>> >
>> > Of course we all expect and know that the jatna will take the job
>> > seriously and make whatever consultations they deem necessary before
>> > acting, but the final decision is the jatna's alone. They might for
>> > example prepare a draft report two weeks before January 1st, ask for
>> > comments, and then make their decision based on the feedback they
>> > receive, or whatever other method they find suitable to prepare the
>> > report. The report is about the "State of the Language", not about the
>> > "Final Definition of the Language from Here to Eternity", so there's
>> > no reason to worry if it's not perfect in every minor detail.
>>
>> That sounds like the right way of going about things. There is of course
>> the slight risk that a rogue BPFKJ might do something reckless, but in any
>> case they do not wield _absolute_ power - they report to the LLG, which
>> can remove them, and revert their changes.
>>
>> It is better to have a decision that stands unless a majority of the
>> members are dissatisfied enough to reverse it, than to not have a decision
>> at all unless everyone agrees.
>>
>> --
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>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>> ----- Forwarded message from bancus <ted.reed@gmail.com> -----
>>
>> Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 00:44:41 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: bancus <ted.reed@gmail.com>
>> To: BPFK <bpfk-list@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: [bpfk] Re: What I'm going to do.
>>
>> On Oct 16, 12:27 pm, Jorge Llambías <jjllamb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > As you pointed out, the BPFK currently has a very informal structure.
>> > The only structured part for now is the jatna position. Therefore,
>> > until another structure develops, the yearly "State of the Language"
>> > report will be issued by the jatna in the name of the BPFK, with the
>> > final decision on its contents fully at the jatna's discretion.
>> >
>> > Of course we all expect and know that the jatna will take the job
>> > seriously and make whatever consultations they deem necessary before
>> > acting, but the final decision is the jatna's alone. They might for
>> > example prepare a draft report two weeks before January 1st, ask for
>> > comments, and then make their decision based on the feedback they
>> > receive, or whatever other method they find suitable to prepare the
>> > report. The report is about the "State of the Language", not about the
>> > "Final Definition of the Language from Here to Eternity", so there's
>> > no reason to worry if it's not perfect in every minor detail.
>> >
>>
>> For what it's worth, I agree with all of this and believe that Robin
>> would excel as this sort of jatna.
>>
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>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>> ----- Forwarded message from Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> -----
>>
>> Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 12:34:07 -0700 (PDT)
>> From: Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com>
>> To: BPFK <bpfk-list@googlegroups.com>
>> Subject: [bpfk] Re: What I'm going to do.
>>
>> > For what it's worth, I agree with all of this and believe that Robin
>> > would excel as this sort of jatna.
>>
>> Second.
>>
>> I believe that Robin has always had the best interest in mind for the
>> language, has always had the perfect insight, and is a perfect balance
>> between Arnt's "No." policy and Jorge's "Well if we accept my proposal
>> on X..." policy.
>>
>> So, my vote goes to Robin.
>> (Can I be vice-jatna?)
>>
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>> ----- End forwarded message -----
>>
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>> Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot
>> is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false"
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