Re: [bpfk] type-3 fu'ivla with different kinds of rafsi

[John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org>]

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> That would invalidate both "cmacrntegrale" and "bangrblgaria". I don't think
> it's necessary to require this, as the set of foreign words beginning
> with "rn" or "rln" or other consonant clusters that give this trouble is
> pretty small compared to the set of foreign words that begin with valid
> medials that aren't valid initials.

Quite so.

> Should the Book be edited to
> 1. specify that if a fu'ivla can be interpreted as beginning with CVC or CVCC,
> then CVCC takes precedence? I think this would be a clarification, not a
> change.
> 2. specify that a type-3 fu'ivla cannot begin with CVV or CCV? This would be a
> change, and would require removing the example "djarspageti".

The difference between type-3 and type-4 is relevant to fu'ivla
construction, not to analysis.   A fu'ivla can look like a type-3
while in fact being defined as a type-4.  For example, one could read
"spargani'umi" as a type-3 lujvo for some sort of plant (spati) for
which "gani'umi" is the Lojbanization, or it could be a type-4 lujvo
for the genus _Sparganium_, the bur-reeds (which are plants).  If I
tried harder, I could probably find a similar example with an apparent
4-letter rafsi.

There can be no guaranteed analysis of a fu'ivla: it's any
brivla-shaped word that is not a gismu, lujvo, or slinku'i.  The point
of the type-3 rules is simply to help someone reliably build a fu'ivla
and not wind up with any of the other word forms.

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