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Re: [bpfk] camxes and syllabification in zi'evla



On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 10:32 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

 A very precise specification of the what, but not so clear on the why. Are there rationales other than "Because CLL says so"? And if that is the only rationale, and the rules could be drastically simplified without invalidating any existing lexis, why not simplify the rules? (Given that anyway the CLL rules are plainly not complete and fully specified.)

CLL doesn't get in too much detail about syllables, but yes, it's based on CLL rules, with some modifications here and there. The underlying idea is that cmavo/gismu/lujvo are the core words of the language, and so fu'ivla should sound as much as possible like them. 
 
There are 18 valid (morphological) codas: the 17 consonants and the empty coda.

 I guess it's at least 17, because each of the 17 Cs can occur word-medially before another C that it can't occur word-initially before?

I don't understand the question. 

Does CLL forbid CC codas? I guess this would be in fu'ivla. So /artsta/ is not a valid fu'ivla, say?

CLL doesn't forbid them, and it may even have some examples with CC codas. CLL would accept "artsta", with syllables art-sta but camxes will reject it.

 
All words (except for cmevla) consist of a sequence of valid syllables.

 Is this from CLL?

No, CLL doesn't quite put it that way.
 

If the constraints apply only to words of certain classes, then the constraints are almost certainly morphophonological and not phonological in nature.
 
Originally camxes applied the constraints to cmevla as well, but now cmevla are divided into "jbocme" which consist of regular syllables, and "zifcme" in which pretty much anything goes. Although not anything at all: .prtkfmgjdglgl. is a valid cmevla, but .emzis. is still forbidden. It's crazy, and it's not my preference, but that's how it is now.

 
Just the former. I would not want to categorize "poktpftcu" for
example as a valid word.

 But is that for any reason other than habit?

Probably not. It just doesn't look like lojban to me. 

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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