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Re: [bpfk] Fiat Attempt #2


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:

I would like to define the defaults for {za'u} and {me'i} to be
"contextually specified, usually the current value for the thing
under discussion", rather than {pa}.

As far as I know, the default for "me'i" is "ro", not "pa". "me'i ro" = "not all", is one of the four Aristotelian quantifiers (ro, no, su'o and me'i). I wouldn't change it.
 
Two reasons:

1.  {za'u} and {su'o} mean almost exactly the same thing as
currently defined, similarily {me'i} and {su'e}.  Freaking annoying.


They correspond to >, >=, < and <=.

 
2.  Everybody uses them that way anyways; see {za'u re'u}, which is
very common, and has almost no meaning without this change:
http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za'ure'u?showall=y and
http://corpus.lojban.org/corpus/search/za'u%20re'u?showall=y


"za'u re'u" means the same as "za'u pa re'u", i.e. "for other-than-the-first time" = "again". 
 
In addition, it would give me a clean way to say "I need more flour
for this cake", or whatever.

 I don't think this is the same as "za'u (some number)". If you already have three cups of flour, when you say you need "more flour", couldn't you mean you need one more cup, which is less than what you already have, less than the current number, not more?

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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