Re: [bpfk] Month Names (WAS: official cmavo form)

["Mike S." <maikxlx@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 1:00 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
<gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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> 2015-01-17 0:59 GMT+03:00 Mike S. <maikxlx@gmail.com>:
>>
>> .janu'ári'us. .febru'ári'us. .márti'us. .aprílis. .máius. (ja .május.)
>> .júni'us. .júli'us. .augústus. .septémber. .október. .novémber.
>> .decémber.
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>
> How would you say "Every February" using these?

{[ca] ro la .febru'ári'us.}


>> On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 9:09 AM, Gleki Arxokuna
>> <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> > 2015-01-16 16:47 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@bezitopo.org>:
>> >>
>> >> "madjio" is from Italian.
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>> >
>> > And that's what I don't like. I suppose names should follow some system,
>> > not
>> > be arbitrarily taken from different languages within one set of words
>> > (then
>> > why not Lojbanize Italian "gennaio" and so on?).
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>> Most likely he used Italian simply because the Latin for "May" namely
>> "maius/maio-" is insufficiently crunchy for brivla.  IMO Latin would
>> be the right language to Lojbanize here. But, it seems impossible to
>> import the full Latin month names recognizably into fu'ivla space.  So
>> maybe the suffix idea is the way to go...
>>
>> janmese febmese marmese prilmese magmese junmese julmese
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> ke'u, jun- and jul- are too close and can be easily mixed together.

Do you find {lo} and {no} to be easy to mix together too, or is the
issue specifically [n]/[l] after a vowel?  The Romans and the heirs of
their language had no problem with this, mind you; Junius/Julius are
pronounced exactly the same way in all forms except for the one
segment in question.  By the way, this concerns a third set of
Lojbanic month names; I was thinking that the main purpose of having
this set at all was to match the Latinate forms as much as possible;
otherwise, what's the point.  My revised suggestion:

janvari febvari martime prilme magjome junxame julzeme .avgusto
septebe .oktobe novmebe dekmere

IMHO these work as recognizable loans (barely) if you squint a bit (or
a lot), but I still prefer the relative fidelity of cmene form,
especially if cmevla and brivla are intended to be syntactically
merged some day.

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