Re: [bpfk] Month Names (WAS: official cmavo form)

["Mike S." <maikxlx@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 7:56 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> > How would you say "Every February" using these?
>>
>> {[ca] ro la .febru'ári'us.}
>
> nalkemgendra

The only problem that I see in la_jbofi'e is {á}, which can be changed to {A}.  Sorry if that caused an issue.



On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 8:44 AM, selpa'i <seladwa@gmx.de> wrote:
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> *{prilme} is a slinku'i.

je'e galfi lo mi cipra liste lu

janvari febvari martime prilime magjome junxame julzeme .avgusto septebe .oktobe novmebe dekmere

li'u



On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 11:49 AM, John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org> wrote:
> Mike S. scripsit:
>
>> {[ca] ro la .febru'ári'us.}
>
> That means "everything named 'February'".  Unfortunately, there are Aprils
> that are not months but women.

This seems contrary to what both the CLL and the BPFK say about {la}.  CLL 6.2 says 'Like ``le'' descriptions, ``la'' descriptions are implicitly restricted to those I have in mind.' and 6.7 goes on to specify the implicit {la} quantifiers as 'ro la su'o' -- 'all of the at least one named'.  I would think from this that an outer {ro} would quantify strictly over the speaker's in-mind referents.

On Sat, Jan 17, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:

2015-01-17 19:49 GMT+03:00 John Cowan <cowan@mercury.ccil.org>:

Mike S. scripsit:

> {[ca] ro la .febru'ári'us.}

That means "everything named 'February'".  Unfortunately, there are Aprils
that are not months but women.

It's only a part of the problem.

Another one is

ca pa februari

ca pa lo februari

ca lo pa februari

But thus fails with {la} since {la pa februari} is one single name without any internal quantifiers.

I think you're mixing up brivla and cmevla here.  {febvari} (or whatever finally decided upon) would behave no differently than any other brivla. It's true that the {pa} in {la pa .febru'ári'us.} is part of the name, but we wouldn't need or use that construction.  If I'm not mistaken, {pa la .febru'ári'us.} could and would mean "one February" as expected.

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