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Re: [bpfk] ki'ecu'i - ki'enai





2014-11-21 23:44 GMT+03:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 4:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
In 

i mi si'unai mo'u tolcri ki'ecu'i la alis
I found myself, no thanks to Alice.

"ki'e" is a vocative, not a BAI, so it would be used to address Alice, not to say something about her. (so something like "No thanks to you, Alice")

oh ok, indeed.
 
 "si'u nai la alis" would work for "with no help from Alice". 

{ki'enai} wont be appropriate imo, although imo in some situations "no thanks to you" can mean {ki'enai}

"It's no thanks to you that I arrive on time"
Here, it could mean that the other person's actions might even have resulted in the person arriving late, but despite those actions, the person still managed to arrive on time.

Maybe in the example, it was Alice that hid what you were looking for, so you found it despite her actions to prevent you from finding it. 

However, the phrase "Isn't "resentment"/"bitterness" the polar opposite of thanks/gratitude?
For now, I voted against this page.

What's your suggested new wording for the definition?

I'm not sure every COI or UI has a single word/construct in English apropariate in all contexts. For ki'enai:

mi jai lerci ki'enai la kevin - I'm late and that's because of you, bastard Kevin.

"ki'e cu'i" and "ki'e nai" would both be somewhat impolite, and I don't think they have seen much usage.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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