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Re: [bpfk] {e'i} in usage and in the wiki




On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 6:01 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
oops, sorry. the two my definitions of {e'i} contradict each other.
Let me try once again:
ei mi cliva - conventions/rules dictate that I leave.
e'i mi cliva - the situation forces me to leave.

ei = sei [lo nu no'a cu] se javni
e'i = sei [lo nu no'a cu] se bapli [be lo nau tcini]

by [lo nu no'a] I mean the event of the bridi in which the sei-clause is inserted.

Do you really want "nau" or "lo tcini be lo nu no'a"? 

 
, but I see a lot of usage of these words with sentences where "mi" is not the agent. Some random examples for ".e'i" from korpora zei sisku:

Do you think they reflect the meaning that you suggest for {e'i}?

For the most part, yes.
 
E.g. this is how I understand them (recurring examples are not translated):

do sanga ,e'i  = It has to be so that you sing.

"Sing!"

.i mi do viska sei .e'i do terpa = ?

"I see you - be afraid (of that)."
 
.au .ei .e'i do cilre fi lo cnima'o = It should and has to be so that you learn about cnima'o, and I wish it was so.

A mix of "I wish you would learn about attitudinals", "you ought to learn about attitudinals" and "do learn about attitudinals".
  
.i ku'i .e'i mi'o denpa = We have to wait

"But let's wait."
 
.e'i ko ta mi dunda = It has to be so that you wait so wait!

"Give that to me!" 

I can agree with And that "to have to" might not be an illocutionary thing but rather a modal but then how can these examples be understood otherwise?

As imperatives. The modal is "na ka'e na" or "bi'ai".

mu'o mi'e xorxes


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