I don't know how much dictionary definition guidelines are relevant
to the BPFK, but for lack of a better alternative, I've sent Naours'
proposal here, to the BPFK list.
Indeed, even if the BPFK were to publish official definition
guidelines or recommendations, this wouldn't magically change all
the existing definitions ; however this may be a good idea in order
that future/newer definitions have a nicer and more consistent
style.
Also, it would be nice to have official recommendations on how to
represent sumti slots in Lujvo definitions. As of now, the x+N
system, the gismu_first_letter+N system and a mix of both systems
are currently in use, which make lujvo definitions' style
inconsistent across the dictionary.
As a side note, it's not yet possible to attach a natural language
translation to Lojban sentence examples in Jbovlaste, so there may
also be technical hindrances to such a proposal. However it's still
possible to put translated examples directly into the notes field,
although it's conceptually less nice.
mi'e la .ilmen. mu'o
On 27/05/2015 21:41, Ilmen wrote:
coi ro do
A couple of weeks ago, Naours
(aka Xelan) suggested to make an official set of style
guidelines for Lojban word definitions, in order to have
definitions that look better and have a consistent style across
the dictionary.
Those guidelines would also aim at reducing the use of slashes
'/' in definitions, favoring the use of the gloss fields for
listing natural language equivalent words or expressions. The
rational for this is that slashes make definitions more clunky
and less pretty, and the result can be awkward in languages with
inflectional agreements.
Below is Naours' proposal, translated from French and slightly
modified/adjusted by me (hopefully without misrepresenting the
idea of its author).
mu'o mi'e la .ilmen.
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Propositions:
* Most important points:
→ Each definition must have a clear description. Slashes
'/' should be avoided as much as possible, as they hinder
comprehension and make definitions look awkward.
→ Each definition must have a simple description: the
description is written using simple terms, even if that leads to
more verbosity.
→ Each definition must have a description as generic as
possible: only one term per concept, as generic as possible for
encompassing the other appropriate terms.
→ Every terms corresponding to the described concept are
recorded in the gloss fields.
→ The etymologies are presented along with the definition
in order to retain the term and its origin.
→ The various sumti types must be specified between
parentheses:
— Proposition (bridi abstractor - lo du'u)
— Event (action or state; event abstractor - lo nu)
— Property/dimension (property abstractor - lo ka)
— Quantity (quantity abstractor - lo ni)
* Points that may need to be further discussed:
→ The sumti are described using singular definite
articles.
Expected results example:
balni (gimsu)
Description: x1 is a platform overhanging on facade x2
Gloss: {balcony, overhang, ledge, shelf}
Exemple 1:
(English): This is a balcony
(Lojban): ti balni
Exemple 2:
(English): The balcony of this building
(Lojban): lo balni be lo vi dinju
Etymology:
Chinese: iantai
English: balkani
Hindi: baramda
Spanish: balkon
Russian: balkon
Arabic: curfa
Notes:
Some points are rather advanced, and it will maybe be necessary
to modify/improve/remove them.
mu'o mi'e la .na'urs.
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