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Re: [bpfk] Month Names (WAS: official cmavo form)





2015-03-05 12:32 GMT+03:00 guskant <gusni.kantu@gmail.com>:
I think {PA-masti} or {PA-ma'i} type lujvo or the derived fu'ivla are not very suitable for January, February etc., because the latters are rather related to {detri} or {detke'u}, a position on a calendar

Earlier I called this splicing time intervals.
https://groups.google.com/d/topic/lojban/xfawt6XTkW4/discussion

{citsi}+masti+number were suggested instead since {citsi} is indeed a splicing time interval gismu.
 
, while {masti} means a duration according to a calendar system. In other words, {la'o zoi January zoi la'o zoi March zoi dunli lo ka masti li pa la gregoris}. Any lujvo constructed from {masti se detri be li pa} would be suitable, but it seems too long for frequent use. So I've just created a series of zi'evla for month names in la jbovlaste. Vote up or down as you like.

zi'evla created:
masnpa masnre masnci masnvo masnmu masnxa masnze masnbi masnso masndau masnfei masngai masnjau masnrei (ja masnxei) masnvai 

I wanted to create them in the form of {PAgmese}  where -g- is for Gregorian however this requires multiplying entities and doesn't solve the problem of "tomorrow", "next hour" etc.
Also this isnot a solutions of when saying "In year 2000". Shall we create thousands of new fu'ivla for each splicing year?
We could if we assume that they are regular and thus aren't needed to be added into dictionaries.

{moi'o} is fine but lengthy.

For now I ended using {de'i li pi'e PA} for months and {de'i li pi'e pi'e PA} for years. One of course could invent a shorter cmavo instead of {pi'e} but this two-syllableness is not a problem for some dialects.

(URLs of the entries are listed below.)

Officially, {mas-n-re} and {mas-n-rei} are considered to be stage-3 fu'ivla, and they have the same problem as {PA-masti}/{PA-ma'i} type lujvo, that {malsi} (not even {masti}) should form the main place structure. Actually, only {masnre} and {masnrei} have the form of stage-3 fu'ivla among the above mentioned zi'evla. The others are in stage-4 form which produces no similar problem. If I used 'l'-hyphen instead of 'n', they would have been all in stage-4 form, but I prefer 'snr'-string that is easier to pronounce than 'slr'. 

{masn[PA]} is defined as follows:

$x_1$ se detri li [PA] noi sinxa lo [PA] moi be lu'i ro da poi masti li pa gi'e pagbu $x_2$ noi nanca li pa lu'u ku'o $x_3$ boi $x_4$

$x_1$ (event/state) is in the [PA-th month/...] of a year $x_2$ at location $x_3$, by calendar $x_4$.

{masnjau} may mean Undecimber in 46 BC ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_calendar#Realignment_of_the_year ), Adar II on the Hebrew calendar or the intercalary month on any lunisolar calendar. 
{masnrei} (ja {masnxei}) may mean Duodecimber in 46 BC.
{masnvai} was created just for consistency.
You forgot about 5 extra days in Egyptian (12 x 30 + 5) and 4 extra days in Baha'i calendars (19 x 19 + 4). Should them be masnjau?
 

examples:
lo cabna cu masnci lo nanca noi se detri li renopamu ku'o mi la gregoris
i
da masnjau lo nanca noi se detri lo muzezevo ku'o zo'e lo xebro
i
lo detke'u be lo nunmro be la gandis noi banli cu masnpa


What in the case that the thirteenth month is inserted between for example the sixth and the seventh? I'm not sure, the lojban translation may depend on $x_4$, say {1,2,3,4,5,6,13,7,8,9,10,11,12} or {1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13}, both are possible.

On another planet, we might need the 16th or higher month, then just create {masnpaxa} and so on.

For the same reason, {PA-dei} type lujvo seem not to be very suitable for Monday, Tuesday etc., though I have not yet inserted the corresponding zi'evla into la jbovlaste.

Note that here I oppose mapping number 1 to Monday since this may confuse a lot of people, notable speaking Portuguese.
I ended using {lurdei} system.


If some of you agree to my idea, I will create similar zi'evla in the following form:
{jednpa} for "the first day of a week",
{jefnpa} for "the first week of a month",
{detnpa} for "the first day of a month", etc. 


ni'o
URLs of the entries of month names:

mu'o

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