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RE: [jboske] Intensions: W
At 03:49 PM 1/6/03 +0000, And Rosta wrote:
It was established some weeks or months ago (by reference to CLL) that
only na is subject to this eccentric rule of interpretation, hence the
general antipathy to the rule.
Was selbri tense exporting explicitly discussed (either in this discussion
or in CLL)? There WILL be problems if your try to export the negation and
not the tense:
mi pu na klama le zarci
mi na pu klama le zarci
should mean different things, and not using the same exporting rule for
tense would lead them to both be exported as
naku puku mi klama le zarci
The exporting rule and the free movement rule are a contradiction in CLL
Chapter 15, 7.1/7.2 say that
mi napu klama le zarci
means the same as
mi punai klama le zarci
but this would violate the export rule if selbri tense is handled
differently from selbri negation
puku mi na klama le zarci
is not
punaiku mi klama le zarci
because of the differential exporting rule
8.4-8.7 exemplify the multiple ordering of tenses and negations and a note
indicates the possibility that there could be a semantic difference in such
ordering. This would, it seems to me override generalizing the example of
freely moving tense from Chapter 10, 1.2-1.5 which does NOT deal with
possible interactions with NA.
I think with tenses and negations in a connected (ije) sentence, the
necessities would be made even clearer. But that would require delving
into Chapter 16, and I generally put my foot in my mouth when I get into
that sort of stuff.
Chapter 16 does not in fact, as far as I can tell, discuss exporting tense
to the prenex, only sumti and negators. Thus I think the situation is
officially underspecified, and the implications of the above indicate that
selbri tense is NOT precisely the same as free-floating tenseKU when it
comes to mixing with negations and exporting.
lojbab
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