[jbovlaste] Re: crab

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:32 PM, John Cowan <cowan@ccil.org> wrote:

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:

> Before I get too involved with reading the replies, I'm going to make my
> suggestion, {xamsi jukni}, differentiating from lobster {clani xamsi jukni}.
> Are there other ocean-dwelling arachnids besides the lobster and crab? If
> so, {cukla xamsi jukni} for crab.

The trouble with ideas like this is precisely that nobody knows
offhand which non-insect arthropods (which is the extended sense of
"jukni") live in the ocean.  On investigation, not only are there
shrimp (infraorder Caridea), krill (order Euphausiacea) , and
barnacles (infraclass Cirripedia), but there is actually an arthropod
group called "sea spiders" (class Pycnogonida) in English, which look
very much like spiders though they are not arachnids.  If I heard a
lujvo based on "xamsi jukni", I'd certainly think of sea spiders.
Unknown fu'ivla like "juknrcie" (type 3 Chinese) or braxiura (type 4
Linnaean) may be opaque, but at least they aren't actively misleading.

Okay, so:

{xamsi jukni} = "sea spider";
{cukla xamsi jukni} = "crab";
{clani xamsi jukni} = "lobster";
{cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "shrimp";
{mutce cmalu ke clani xamsi jukni} = "krill";
{to'e muvdu xamsi jukni} = "barnacle".

Not misleading, and jbopre don't have to look it up.
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