[jbovlaste] Re: Alice in Wonderland 12

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 11:38 AM, A. PIEKARSKI <totus@rogers.com> wrote:
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>
>> >> > 3) naijgi
>> >> >
>> >> > j1 is a patriot of nation n1
>> >> >
>> >> > from
>> >> > j1 jgira lonu n1 natmi n2
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>   Your English doesn't match your lojban, but I wonder if n2 should
>> >> be/must be/shouldn't be =j1?
>> >
>> > Ouch! Then I'm surprised you didn't offer a alternative with better
> English:)
>> >
>> > I find the structure of gismu definitions frequently makes the use of good
>> > English difficult.
>>
>>   But can you be a patriot about about a people you are not a part of?
>> That's my question.  (I suppose you can say that Lee Harvey Oswald
>> was a Cuban patriot despite not being Cuban (or more contemporarily,
>> Rachel Corrie/Palestine).  But if so, then the n2 doesn't seem to be
>> needed at all.  What does it add? So you see my dilemma).
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>
> Then how would you say 'Paul Revere was an American patriot'?
>

  la pal.rivir naijgi lo merko

  Why is that problematic for you?

  What your lojban definition really should be, I think:

j1=n2 jgira tu'a n1 (or j1=n2 jgira lo du'u n1 natmi ce'u, if you must)

             -- gejyspa