[lojban-beginners] Re: zvati

["Betsemes" <betsemes@hotmail.com>]

> Yes, but {mi nau zvati lo nu pu salci ca le prulamna'a} can also
> mean that I'm now at the place where a party was celebrated
> last year. {bu'u ko'a} indicates the location of ko'a, but ko'a has
> to be there at the time in question. It's not any location where
> ko'a was at any time.
>
> So while I understand a sentence such as "I
> > drink only water at the party" as referring to the same moment and time
of
> > the party, I cannot connect a location tense word (like bu'u) with the
> > concept of an event which is located both in space and time.
>
> Every physical object is located both in space and time, not just
> events. The peculiarity of events is that they tend to have a single
> space-time location and then disappear, whereas other
> objects tend to have extended trajectories in space-time,
> but there are exceptions in both camps.
>
I need to insist on this because I have seen a disagreement between two
"experts". If I haven't seen a disagreement, then I'd accept that bu'u could
refer to objects/events' locations both in space and time; but since there
is a disagreement, then I have to press the issue a bit longer. It seems
that the confusing term here is "coincident with".
It's definition is:
bu'u: location tense relation/direction; coincident with/at the same place
as; space equivalent of ca
According to Jorge, in order for two objects, or an object and an event to
coincide in the same place, they should coincide in time too. Apparently,
Robin doesn't think so (and personally, I don't think so as well). I
understand the possibility of two objects coinciding at the same place, but
at different times. Since bu'u is a location tense cmavo, then time is
unimportant as bu'u is concerned. In order to add the idea of coinciding in
time too, then additional information is needed. That's my idea. If an
agreement is reached in the sense of bu'u meaning "coincident with ?? in
both space and time" then I'll accept it. In the mean time, I'll consider
bu'u a pure location tense cmavo.