[lojban-beginners] Re: tanru order

["Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 12:16 PM, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:45 AM, Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 11:10 PM, Chris Capel <pdf23ds@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> When you have things like {vajni mutce} and {manku mulno}, you're
>>> usually going to want to reverse those, right?
>>
>> Why? They would be something like {mutce be lo ka vajni} and
>> {mulno be lo ka manku}. The expansion for the other order is
>> perhaps also possible, but more compicated.
>
> I'm not sure I was clear here. I simply meant to ask whether {mutce
> vajni} and {mulno manku} would usually be the better order.

Yes, that's how I understood the question. Why would that
be the better order, given that it requires a more complex
interpretation?

>>> iseja'ebo na _vajni mutce_ fa le du'u porsi makau ki'u le nu abu ka'e
>>> spuda no le re preti
>>
>>> But I think the first, since the x1 is
>>> filled, is actually incorrect, since the fact is ke not important
>>> ke'e, not ke not extreme ke'e.
>>
>> Its "not (extreme in importance)", isn't it?
>
> Yes, where the "importance" is the main concept, and thus belongs in
> the tertau. Can't {mutce vajni} naturally mean "extreme in importance"
> in context?

What if it was "lacking in importance"? What is the main
concept there, and would that be better as {vajni claxu} or as
{claxu vajni}?

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