[lojban-beginners] Re: pe'u e'osai

["Jorge Llambías" <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On 8/5/08, Brett Williams <mungojelly@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The first main difference I can point out to you is both
> grammatical and semantic, which is that {pe'u} and {ki'e}
> are in selma'o (se cmavo) COI.  That means that they not
> only change the mood of the sentence, but also *address*
> it, usually to someone present.

We could say that ki'e and pe'u emphasize the se ckire/te cpedu,
(the person being thanked/asked) while i'o and e'o emphasize the
te ckire/se cpedu (that which is being thanked/asked for).

> I don't really understand {.e'i}, can someone talk more about that?  Is it
> like "must", "have to"?

There are (at least) two schools about this. (It's interesting that "e'i"
is the only VV which CLL doesn't offer an example for.)

One school puts it more with the "pure emotion indicators" (as CLL
calls them) and the other school puts it more with the "propositional
attitude indicators". In the first case, it indicates that the speaker
feels constrained. In the second, that the speaker imposes a contraint,
makes a command. (I favour the propositional attitude interpretation,
as it's the one I have found more needed.)

mu'o mi'e xorxes