[lojban-beginners] Re: lojban meaning approximately "posture"?

[tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>]

2009/5/1 David Gowers <00ai99@gmail.com>:
> ko seltra le cutne mo'iga'u .e betfu mo'iga'u .e tupyjanco mo'i ni'a je ti'a

The x1 of "seltra" is the x2 of "tarti" i.e. posture. "ko" itself
cannot be a posture. You could just say "ko tarti ...".

The connective "e" is for sumtis. "betfu" is a selbri. You need a
gadri (descriptor) to make it a sumti. The same for "tupyjanco".

I'm not sure about the tags (mo'iga'u, mo'i ni'a je ti'a). They are
part of the main bridi itself, not exclusively of the individual
terbris (arguments), unless you join them up with something like BE or
GOI. You could say:

 le cutne be mo'iga'u .e le betfu be mo'iga'u .e le tupyjanco be mo'i
ni'a je ti'a

Another possibility is to group each pair as a termset, either with
the afterthought "ce'e" or the forethought "nu'i ... nu'u":

 le cutne ce'e mo'iga'u pe'e je le betfu ce'e mo'iga'u pe'e je le
tupyjanco ce'e mo'i ni'a je ti'a

That is:

 [ le cutne ce'e mo'iga'u ] pe'e je [ le betfu ce'e mo'iga'u ] pe'e je
[ le tupyjanco ce'e mo'i ni'a je ti'a ]

"je" is used instead of "e" because it's not sumtis that are
connected, according to CLL. And "pe'e" marks the connective as
joining termsets. There is a confusing example in CLL, however:

14.15)  la djeimyz. ce'e la meris.
        pe'e .e la djordj. ce'e la martas. prami
    James [plus] Mary
        [joint] and George [plus] Martha loves.

"e" is used instead of "je". I don't know why, given that "je" is used in:

11.2)    mi klama le zarci ce'e le briju pe'e je
        le zdani ce'e le ckule
    I go to-the market [plus] from-the office [joint] and
        to-the house [plus] from-the school.

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