On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:24 AM, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ok, so, what you're describing, xorxes, is something different from the CLL
> I think. I thought I always understood VA/ZI as sumtcita but I guess not.
> The CLL version I understand to mean that {mi citka lo plise za lo nu mi
> sipna} means "I eat the apple a medium time distance from the event of me
> sleeping". Could you explain what {mi citka lo plise za lo nu mi sipna}
> means under your understanding of VA/ZI sumtcita, xorxes?
event of me sleeping from now". You wouldn't normally use a ZI without
a PU though, because the difference between "ago" and "hence" is
pretty drastic. The case of VA is a bit different because in space the
direction sometimes can be irrelevant.
> Thanks.
> P.S. It's a little disconcerting that I've been learning lojban for over a
> year now and have been using VA/ZI sumtcita like the CLL describes them
> without ever hearing of another way to use them.
Do you use them or see them used like that very often? In the CLL
sense they don't seem to have a lot of use (as sumtcita). As I said,
the only one I really see used as sumtcita in the CLL sense is "vi",
but even then mostly with the sense of "bu'u". Even the example that
started this:
> would {zi ma do co'a sipna ca lo prulamcte } also be valid?
doesn't really make that much sense, since you were asking about the
time of falling asleep, not about some short time before or after it.
> When are we going to get
> an updated version of the CLL with all the errata/xorlo/dotside/anything
> else that's come out of BPFK?
Everything the BPFK has produced is already available online:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Sections
> Or at the very least an "official" page of
> some sort with all of the official changes that have been made from the CLL?
No official changes have been made from the CLL, but there is a CLL errata page:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/CLL,+aka+Reference+Grammar,+Errata
> Or even less, can we get a page with all the changes that "usage has
> decided" are part of lojban?
You can always start one, but how do we determine what usage has decided?