From wikipedia: Terms_for_anatomical_location which I think could interest most jbopli:
"Standard anatomical terms of location are employed in science which deal with the anatomy of animals to avoid ambiguities which might otherwise arise. They are not language-specific, and thus require no translation. They are universal terms that may be readily understood by zoologists who speak any language.
While these terms are standardized within specific fields of biology, they can differ dramatically from one discipline to another. Differences in terminology remain a problem that, to some extent, still separates the fields of zoological anatomy (sometimes called zootomy) and human (medical) anatomy (sometimes called androtomy).
The Craniata (vertebrates) share a substantial heritage of common structure, allowing much of the same terminology to be used for all of them. It is necessary for this terminology to be based on the anatomy of the animal in a standard way to avoid ambiguities such as might occur if a word such as "top" were used, which might designate the head of a human but the left or right side of a flounder."This is above my level of lojban I think, but couldn't we try to make
more exact anatomical definitions of directions and positions
(especially of the human body)?
Such definitions would be very useful as parts of tanru/lujvo.
I'm really interested in the movements of human bodies, and I really
enjoy watching parkour, skateboarding, gymnastics, martial arts, yoga,
dancing etc etc.
Of course you could just borrow words from each discipline (fu'ivla)
when you need to describe a special type of movement/trick, but I also
think that lojban has the potential of creating a more universal
language of movements. At least such lujvos would be very useful to
describe common positions/movements like squatting, kneeling, lying
face down/up, but also perhaps to describe more complex movements like
different kind of cartwheels, volts, rotations, somersaults, ollie,
kong, lotus position, martial techniques etc etc etc.
The starting-point could be :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatomical_terms_of_location#Directional_terms.
ok, you may think I'm too ambitious and that it's better to leave
everything vague than to be too normative, but if everything is left
vague you'll never be able to be precise when you want to. And I would
really appreciate if you with better skills than me could translate
the anatomical concepts in the wikipedia article (linked above) into
lojban.
/a'o. ki'ecai mi'e jongausib
> On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 4:03 PM, Sebastian Fröjd <so.cool....@gmail.com>wrote:
On 23 Okt, 02:21, Michael Turniansky <mturnian...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, but of course you are to the side of something (for example, you are
> to the side of the bed from the reference frame of a fly on the wall who is
> facing an adjacent wall). In fact you are to the side of infinitely many
> things. But since you are not specifying the selmla or the velmla, we
> really don't care what they are. We are merely extracting the termla as a
> useful way of specifying your orientation. (But I didn't mean for you to
> lose the lo ckana in the x2 of vreta. That should still be there -- "mi
> vreta lo ckana fi'o termla vo'e", for example).
>
> --gejyspa
>
>> > 2011/10/18 Michael Turniansky <mturnian...@gmail.com>
> > you mean termla? mi vreta fi'o termla lo ckana (that would be something
> > like "I lie facing the bed to the side of something"?)
>
>> >> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeaber...@gmail.com>wrote:
> >> Fair point! termla, of course. Thanks for the correction.
>
>
> >>> the hell do locks have to do with anything? zo'o
>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 3:42 PM, Michael Turniansky <
> >>> mturnian...@gmail.com> wrote:> >>>> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu>wrote:
>
> >>>> I would think you would want "...fi'o telmla lo ckana [/lo loldi]"
> >>>> But maybe that's just me.
> >>>> --gejyspa
>
>
> >>>>> On Tuesday 18 October 2011 05:42:18 Sebastian Fröjd wrote:
> >>>>> > I'm not proficient enough in lojban to help you with this one. I just
> >>>>> > notice that in swedish you almost never say that you're lying face up
> >>>>> or
> >>>>> > face down. Instead you say that you're "lying on [your] back" or
> >>>>> "lying on
> >>>>> > [your] belly". Perhaps that's easier to express in lojban.
>
> >>>>> That would be "mi vreta fi le trixe" or "mi vreta fi le crane", but x3
> >>>>> of "vreta" is not defined (x3 of "sanli" is, but not "zutse").
>
> >>>>> The directions "anterior" and "posterior" don't match the direction of
> >>>>> locomotion in humans the same way they do in most mammals. How is this
> >>>>> expressed in Lojban?
>
> >>>>> Pierre
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates.
> >>>>> Já não percebe nada, já não percebe nada.
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