[lojban-beginners] Re: how correct is this phrase

[ianek <janek37@gmail.com>]

Using {le} doesn't allow to say whatever to mean whatever else.
According to xorlo (which didn't really changed {le} btw):

>The resulting expression refers specifically to an individual or individuals that the speaker has in mind and which the speaker describes as fitting the first argument of the selbri.

So by {le nu ...} you express something specific you have in mind,
which you describe as an event of some kind. It is absurd to describe
an agent as an event.


On Dec 17, 4:28 pm, Dank <dankai...@gmail.com> wrote:
> it means what it says,

It says "A specific thing I have in mind, which I describe as an event
of deep conscious thinking, is an agent who brings about another
specific thing I have in mind, which I describe as a great matter
which someone is wise about" and I really doubt you wanted to express
this.

> seprije could probably go as well as selprije.

It's a topic of someone's sagacity. If you meant wisdom, I think it
would be {lo ka prije}. But gasnu2 should be an event brought about,
not a topic or a property. {lo nu prije} on the other hand is an event
of someone being wise.

> i know gasnu is an agent, so i am agree that if the sumti start with
> lo, it has to be a person or an agent. But since i am using "le" i was
> hoping that any kind of stuff can go in there, any abstraction or
> bridi starting with "le", since i supose "le" is to say that i
> describe the thing this way, so it should be to describe in almost any
> way

If you see an apple you don't describe it as an airplane. It seems
that you think {le} allows you to babble nonsense.

> about using condi, since is in "le" i guess is allowed to use deepness
> as a descriptor,  regardless of whatever it might mean deep as a
> descriptor of sanji

I think in tanru you can use {condi} and other words in metaphorical
sense (regardless of le/lo), but it's a matter of taste.

> Anyway, if the phrase is not correct, how could the same thing can be
> said in another way???

Which same thing? My guess about what you meant is either "Deep
thinking leads to a great wisdom" or "A deep thinker does wise
things".
General hint: don't use {le}, it doesn't do what you think it does.
Unless I'm mistaken, in xorlo {lo} is strictly more general then {le},
ie. you can use {lo} every time you would use {le}, just like you can
use "vehicle" anytime you could use "car".

mu'o mi'e ianek

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> On 17 dic, 00:26, Pierre Abbat <p...@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
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> > On Saturday 17 December 2011 01:08:06 Dank wrote:
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> > > hi, i was just wondering how correct is this phrase,
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> > > le nu condi sanji pensi cu gasnu le banli seprije
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> > It's syntactically correct, though I'm not sure what it means.
> > *"seprije" is run together. We normally don't run words together unless all of
> > them are cmavo.
> > *The subject of "gasnu" is an agent; you have an abstraction (which is like a
> > subordinate clause) there. "le pensi cu gasnu" makes sense.
> > *Are you talking about thoughts of deep-sea divers?
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> > Pierre
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> > --
> > Don't buy a French car in Holland. It may be a citroen.

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