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[lojban-beginners] Re: Jingle Bells song
On Saturday, December 24, 2011 4:16:41 PM UTC+4, ianek wrote:
On 24 Gru, 12:10, gleki <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Some notes:
> > * shouldn't it be {te tonga} or {se janbe}? The former is easier to
> > fit in the rhythm.
>
> I agree that in lojban the bell and the sound it emits are interconnected.
> But just singing {janbe lo'e} is a bit strange.
What would you achieve by {lo'e} here? I don't get it.
I just mean that sound and bell meanings are in one gismu therefore in lojban we can do with only one word as opposed to English.
So {janbe lo'e} is {bell producing typical sound} as x2 of janbe is the sound so there is no need in tonga in such case.
> But if you have any alternative translations please post. I'll accept any
> precious amendment.
I was suggesting just slipping an extra {te}:
.u'i lo janbe ku
te tonga ca lo nu
as it's easier to fit than {lo se janbe}.
Yes, it is. Although it breaks the rhythm
> I'm afraid that each verse must begin with ni'o or .i
> Is it so ?
I asked the same thing once and it seems it's accepted to drop {i}/
{ni'o} at the beginnings of song verses.
My thread: https://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/browse_thread/thread/2dbdffb929cba23e/
> Any mistakes ?
> Any suggestions for next verses ?
{je} and its friends are deceitful. They bind all the arguments of
connected selbri (I'm not sure what happens when they have different
numbers of arguments). So when you say {janbe je vitno}, it implies
that the sound of bells and the property in which they're eternal is
the same thing, and I doubt you can pass sound as a property.
Is it really so ? If {je} binds all arguments if selbri then how can the phrase
7.6) melbi je cmalu nixli bo ckule
exist ?
Are melbi2 and cmalu2 now the same ?
As for selbri with different number of arguments they definitely don't get extra arguments.
Compare
And {vitno} means x1 is permanent/lasting/[eternal] in property x2 (ka) by standard x3 [time-span/expectant one].
Does x1 need to be a property ?
se janbe + vitno = being a sound produced by a bell and being permanent
What's wrong ?
Not considering this song what is your translation of the phrase {eternal sound produced by a bell} ?
Also, I suggest changing the second half of the refrain to
u'i se salcarce fi
lo pamei xirma ku
Unless you like it less than your version, of course.
OK, now there are two authors. .ui.
I'm sure there is a lot of room for improvement.
Then in your version you can change the first {u'i} to {ni'o} to avoid tautology
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