Re: [lojban-beginners] Just having trouble putting a sentence together in general... Think I figured it out

[".arpis." <rpglover64+jbobau@gmail.com>]

For whatever my personal preferences are worth, I try to avoid {cu} in
favor of terminators (usually {ku} is the one that applies), but if
{cu} would shorten the sentence by at least two syllables, I use it.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> The short answer is yes. the long answer is, cu is never strictly necessary,
> as it is possible to use terminators to do the same thing, but it is very,
> very useful.
>
> lo mlatu citka lo finpe does not mean "The cat eats fish". it means "The
> cat-type-of-eater the fish."
>
> cu is needed between mlatu and citka to prevent tanru grouping, or the sumti
> terminator ku
>
> These are both "The cat eats fish":
> lo mlatu cu citka lo finpe
> one-or-more-things-which-actually-is-cat <selbri is next word!> eats
> one-or-more-things-which-actually-is-fish
>
> lo mlatu ku citka finpe
> one-or-more-things-which-actually-is-cat <end sumti> eats
> one-or-more-things-which-actually-is-fish
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 10:06 AM, RexScientiarum <amt2839@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Again, we come to the issue of {cu}.  My understanding is that it is still
>> correct to use it as I did, just not necessary.  I don't care if I am being
>> wordy at this point, I am more concerned with being flat out wrong.
>>
>> Would it be 'necessary' to use {cu} if  there was something there that
>> could be confused as a tanru (I mean assuming I didn't want to restructure
>> the whole sentence)?
>>
>> On Monday, March 5, 2012 7:51:45 PM UTC-6, aionys wrote:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, RexScientiarum wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am a little confused as to how I can make this sentence:
>>>>
>>>> I use a microscope to look at the microbe.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I guess this is the best way to say this:
>>>>
>>>> .i mi cu zgana lo jurme le cmactatci
>>>
>>>
>>> That is exactly right, although you don't need cu in that sentence- mi
>>> cannot form tanru.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> At first I used pilno to say that I would use the microscope more like
>>>> I had originally envisioned the sentence in English but then I
>>>> couldn't figure out I could use that to say I 'used' the microscope to
>>>> 'look' at the microbe.  There aren't enough sumti x spaces for that or
>>>> any direct way to relate that x1(I) am using x2(microscope) in manner
>>>> x3(to look at)....... a microbe..... right?
>>>
>>>
>>> If you really want to use pilno as your selbri:
>>>
>>> pilno: x1 uses/employs x2 for purpose x3.
>>> The x3 of pilno is what the x2 is being used by x1 for. This is usually
>>> an event, such as the event of looking at microbes.
>>>
>>> I use a-microscope for-purpose an-event-of observing a-microbe
>>> mi pilno lo cmactatci lonu zgana lo jurme
>>>
>>> --
>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>
>>> .i.e'ucai ko cmima lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
>>> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
>>>
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>
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