[lojban-beginners] Re: Major flaw in Lojban ! (was:Pivotal sentences in Pandunia. How to express them in Lojban ?)

[ianek <janek37@gmail.com>]

I thought that under xorlo {lo broda} doesn't imply the existence of
broda. (And likewise, {lo nu broda} doesn't imply the existence of an
event of broda).

mu'o mi'e ianek

On 16 Mar, 21:21, Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.as...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 16 March 2012 17:03, Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > By the way, I never understood why nu-abstractions are used in djica2.
> > There is no specific event you desire for. You just want an event with certain
> > properties to happen. Maybe the more abstract {du'u} would express that?
>
> On a more logical level, there is a problem when you try to express desire
> for something impossible. That is
>  1. Let broda be a predication that is impossible to hold, even in hypothetical
>      worlds, such as a logical contradiction.
>  2. Let ko'a be a subject with so little grasp of logic that ko'a can not
>      understand that broda is impossible, and naively wants broda.
> How would the speaker express that ko'a wants broda? He can't say
> {lo nu broda}, because there is no event of broda. There is no problem
> with the existence of the predication broda, on the other hand.
>
> mu'o
> mi'e .asiz.

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