Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Major flaw in Lojban ! (was:Pivotal sentences in Pandunia. How to express them in Lojban ?)

[Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>]

On 16 March 2012 17:39, ianek <janek37@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought that under xorlo {lo broda} doesn't imply the existence of
> broda. (And likewise, {lo nu broda} doesn't imply the existence of an
> event of broda).
>

Quite the opposite, actually.

mu'o
mi'e .asiz.



> mu'o mi'e ianek
>
> On 16 Mar, 21:21, Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.as...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> On 16 March 2012 17:03, Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.as...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > By the way, I never understood why nu-abstractions are used in djica2.
>> > There is no specific event you desire for. You just want an event with certain
>> > properties to happen. Maybe the more abstract {du'u} would express that?
>>
>> On a more logical level, there is a problem when you try to express desire
>> for something impossible. That is
>>  1. Let broda be a predication that is impossible to hold, even in hypothetical
>>      worlds, such as a logical contradiction.
>>  2. Let ko'a be a subject with so little grasp of logic that ko'a can not
>>      understand that broda is impossible, and naively wants broda.
>> How would the speaker express that ko'a wants broda? He can't say
>> {lo nu broda}, because there is no event of broda. There is no problem
>> with the existence of the predication broda, on the other hand.
>>
>> mu'o
>> mi'e .asiz.
>
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