On Fri, Mar 23, 2012 at 1:55 AM, <arcady.balandin@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Friday, March 23, 2012 12:10:13 AM UTC+4, Pierre Abbat wrote:
>>
>> On Thursday, March 22, 2012 10:15:45 gleki wrote:
>> > https://sites.google.com/site/cernidirgo/menli-bangu-put-koteenka
>> >
>> > The Kitten's Way is still in progress.
>>
>> I don't know Russian well enough to translate into it, but I can read it
>> fairly well.
>>
>> In the Cyrillic alphabet for Lojban, ъ, not ы, is used for y. Ъ is not
>> used as
>> a vowel in Russian, but it is in Bulgarian, and as I understand it (I
>> don't
>> speak Bulgarian), it's closer to Lojban y than ы is.
>
> We don't teach Cyrillic writing system there. It's just transcription.
> Unstressed "ы" sounds like "schwa". It's just like we all hear it. Although
> we are not experts.
>
>> > mi dunda lo plise ku fa'a do - я даю яблоко тебе.
>> I'd say "mi dunda lo plise ku do". "fa'a" is not a proper preposition but
>> a
>> spatial tense marker (though all tense markers can be used as
>> prepositions)
>> and doesn't denote motion unless preceded by "mo'i".
>
> Do you really think that {mi dunda ti fa'a do} can't have any meaning ?It has meaning; it's just the wrong meaning. It means that the act of
giving is taking place in your direction, whatever that means.
--> It's just what the Kitten's Way is all about.
> We replace x3 with sumtcita in first lessons. Only then we learn about x3
> It's just the policy of this textbook.
>
>> > zo'e pe do - что-то о тебе
>> "pe" isn't a preposition. It can be used to attach a prepositional phrase
>> to a
>> sumti (e.g. "le renro pe pa'o lo canko" means "the thrower who is through
>> a
>> window", which is different from "le renro be pa'o lo canko" which means
>> "the
>> thrower through a window", i.e. he throws something through a window).
>> "pe" is
>> in the same selma'o as "goi", which does something quite
>> un-preposition-like.
>>
>> > xu do cusku bau la .lojban. ? (Ты говоришь на Ложбане ?)
>> For "Do you speak Lojban?" I'd say "xu do se bangu la lojban". Is "Ты
>> говоришь
>> по-ложбански" proper Russian?
>
> It is. ki'e. We need to find another example for {bau}.{xu do cusku bau la .lojban.} does have a reasonable meaning: "Are you
speaking in lojban?" (Although I'd probably move the {xu} to follow
the {bau})
I think Russian is ambiguous as to whether that or "Do you speak
lojban?" is being asked.>
>>
>> Btw, what about "бурушаский язык"? (language
>> isolate spoken in Hunza) You may want to point out that "xu", like "ли",
>> can
>> follow the word being questioned.
>>
>> > ti me ma (Это что ?)
>> > plise (яблоко)
>> That has to be either "ti me ma? — lo plise" or "ti mo? — plise". "Что он
>> делает" is "mo", not "me ma".
>
> Oh, indeed.
>
>>
>> Enough comments for now. Keep up the good work!
>>
>> Pierre
>> --
>> lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko
>
>
> ki'esai doi .pier.
>
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