Re: [lojban-beginners] lo nu pilno zo kakne ce'onai lo sucta

[jammyatjammy@gmail.com]

But that one doesn't say who the talker is. It says "I can (event-of unspecified-it talks)". Isn't that a problem?

On Wednesday, 11 July 2012 23:25:41 UTC+1, selpa'i  wrote:
> Am 11.07.2012 19:50, schrieb jammyatjammy@gmail.com:
> > le munvelski be zo kakne du la'e zoi gy x1 is able to do/be/capable of 
> > doing/being x2 (event/state) under conditions x3 (event/state) gy .i 
> > xu zoi gy being gy nibyti'i lo du'u zo kakne kakne lo selpli secau zo 
> > nu to noi simsa nunpli fi tu'a le vi jufra toi
> >
> > The description of "kakne" is "x1 is able to do/be/capable of 
> > doing/being x2 (event/state) under conditions x3 (event/state)". Does 
> > "being" imply that "kakne" can be used without "nu" after it, and 
> > instead using a simple sumti (as I did above).
> >
> > Probably a simpler example is {mi kakne lo tavla be fo la lojban.} - 
> > "I can-be a talker in-language Lojban" .i xu di'u xagytadji lo nu 
> > pilno zo kakne
>
> It says "do/be" because those two are the same thing in Lojban. There is 
> no to be or to do. That is, there is no difference between "I am a man"  
> {mi nanmu }and "I [do] walk" {mi cadzu}. It's always just an argument 
> (sumti) filling a place of a predicate (selbri). You still need an 
> abstraction for kakne. {mi kakne lo ka/nu tavla} means both "I can be a 
> talker" and "I can talk".
>
> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> -- 
> .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u
> .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla
> .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata

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