Re: [lojban-beginners] Conlang test sentence failure.

[Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>]

Indeed, the issue is that English lets us use two connected adjectives
on one single noun, but yielding two different kinds of referents. {lo
clarai je toryrai nanmu} says that for each of its referents that they
have the additional properties {clarai} and {toryrai} which is silly,
va'i illogical. Really, we need to create two sets of referents by
using two descriptors: {lo clarai nanmu .e lo toryrai nanmu}.

mu'o mi'e la tsani

On 12 July 2012 10:05, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>   The problem is the assumption that you can directly translate the sentence
> from English with the same kind of syntax, and in the same order.  But what
> we are really talking about are two beings, lo traji be lo ka tordu bei fo
> lo'i munje nanmu be'o , and lo traji be lo ka clani bei fo lo'i munje nanmu
> be'o.  And if we join those with jo'u, we can certainly have them join the
> circus in lojban (  lo traji be lo ka tordu bei fo lo'i munje nanmu be'o
> kujo'u lo traji be lo ka clani bei fo lo'i munje nanmu be'o cu cmibi'o le
> tigbe'e ) But I think what you really want is : le remei poi cmibi'o lo
> tigbe'e cu traji lo ka tordu fa'u clani  keifo lo'i munje nanmu
>
>               --gejsypa
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 7:11 AM, gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> From http://www.lojban.org/tiki/Conlang+Test+Sentences
>> The tallest and smallest men in the world both joined the circus.
>>
>> lo clarai e lo toryrai be lo ro nanmu pe le munje cu cmibi'o le tigbe'e
>> It's not exactly right, because {be lo ro...} applies only to {toryrai}.
>> Maybe:
>> lo clarai je toryrai be lo ro nanmu pe le munje cu cmibi'o le tigbe'e
>>
>> The second solution fails as well. How to say "(The tallest and smallest)
>> men in the world"?
>>
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