[lojban-beginners] Re: Where should I use sets and where should I use masses?

[ianek <janek37@gmail.com>]

*{simxu}, of course

On 7 Wrz, 00:15, ianek <jane...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 6 Wrz, 21:50, selpa'i <m...@plasmatix.com> wrote:
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> > Am 06.09.2012 21:39, schrieb ianek:
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> > >> If you restrict "simxu" to the cliques of graph theory, you can't use
> > >> it for something like:
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> > >> lo zajba pu simxu lo ka ce'u ce'u sanli kei gi'e se morna lo remna pramide
> > >> "The gymnasts stood on one another's shoulders and formed a human pyramid."
> > > So what {simxu} really means? That the graph is connected? Arguments
> > > based on something that sounds good in a natural language are
> > > suspicious for me. The definitions of Lojban words are (in most cases)
> > > in a natural language, but it doesn't mean that they should be
> > > ambiguous.
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> > It's not ambiguous. The individuals in simxu1 do simxu2 to each other.
> > The only difference is that instead of saying "the members of set x1
> > reciprocally (do) x2" you have the individuals in simxu1 do it directly.
> > There is really no use for sets in such cases, it's just a waste of time
> > and makes things unnecessarily inconvenient.
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> But the gymnasts don't stand on each other shoulders. More, there's no
> pair standing on each other shoulders, there's no reciprocity. So pe'i
> it's really bad example for {simxo}. Either that, or {simxo} is very
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> mu'o mi'e ianek
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> > mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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> > --
> > .i pau mi me ma .i pa mai ko mi jungau la'e di'u
> > .i ba bo mi va'o lo nu nelci lo nu me ma kau cu barkla
> > .i va'o lo nu na nelci cu denpa ti lo nu mi drata

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