[lojban-beginners] Re: Where should I use sets and where should I use masses?

[ianek <janek37@gmail.com>]

On 6 Wrz, 21:50, selpa'i <m...@plasmatix.com> wrote:
> Am 06.09.2012 21:39, schrieb ianek:
>
> >> If you restrict "simxu" to the cliques of graph theory, you can't use
> >> it for something like:
>
> >> lo zajba pu simxu lo ka ce'u ce'u sanli kei gi'e se morna lo remna pramide
> >> "The gymnasts stood on one another's shoulders and formed a human pyramid."
> > So what {simxu} really means? That the graph is connected? Arguments
> > based on something that sounds good in a natural language are
> > suspicious for me. The definitions of Lojban words are (in most cases)
> > in a natural language, but it doesn't mean that they should be
> > ambiguous.
>
> It's not ambiguous. The individuals in simxu1 do simxu2 to each other.
> The only difference is that instead of saying "the members of set x1
> reciprocally (do) x2" you have the individuals in simxu1 do it directly.
> There is really no use for sets in such cases, it's just a waste of time
> and makes things unnecessarily inconvenient.

But the gymnasts don't stand on each other shoulders. More, there's no
pair standing on each other shoulders, there's no reciprocity. So pe'i
it's really bad example for {simxo}. Either that, or {simxo} is very
ambiguous.

mu'o mi'e ianek

> mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
>
> --
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