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Re: [lojban-beginners] zo braile



On Sat, Dec 1, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Annie <park.annie@asb.gaggle.net> wrote:
What are veljvo and rafci[sic]?

http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/veljvo : veljvo = ve lujvo - x4 is a metaphor with meaning x2 and arguments x3 for the compound predicate word x1 (text).
http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/rafsi : rafsi - x1 is an affix/suffix/prefix/combining-form for word/concept x2, form/properties x3, language x4.
 
What's a fu'ivlahisa

http://vlasisku.lojban.org/vlasisku/fu%27ivla : fu'ivla = fukpi valsi - x1=v1=f1 is a loanword meaning x2=v2 in language x3=v3, based on word x4=f2 in language x5.
 
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On Nov 30, 2012, at 10:40 AM, selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com> wrote:

> .i la jongausib cu cusku di'e
>> brailyle'u is not a valid lujvo. You can't have a fu'ivla and a gismu as
>> a veljvo.
>
> Yes, you can. The PEG morphology gives every fu'ivla at least one rafsi. You can add 'y or remove the last vowel and replace it with y. The first method always works, but the second one works too in this case. (That means we could equally well say "braile'yle'u" instead")
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>> braile: "x1 is a braille letter/symbol in braille alphabet/character-set
>> x2 representing x3" (I know it's almost the same as the one Pierre
>> suggested)
>
> It's very different. Pierre suggested "x1 is written in braile" not "x1 is a letter of the braile alphabet". If braile is taken to mean the former, then a lujvo like brailyle'u will be needed to refer to the actual letters of the braile alphabet.
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