Re: [lojban-beginners] Tanru-internal connectives, place structure, non-sense

[selpa'i <m3o@plasmatix.com>]

On 11.11.2013 01:58, Michael Turniansky wrote:
>     Simple... the compound selbri "sutra je jipci" doesn't HAVE an x2
> place (but it does have both an s2 and j2 place which have to be
> internally linked with be), similar to the way that a lujvo may not
> have all the places that the underlying veljvo seltau jonai tertau
> have.  

Okay, now I at least understand what you are saying. I find this 
problematic, as tanru are by their very nature ad-hoc, and figuring out 
such eliminated places on the fly is likely impossible (assuming for a 
second that it's sensible).

If you say it has no x2, then I assume you would say that in:

   mi klama je sutra lo tricu

{lo tricu} actually fills klama3 and it fills neither klama2 nor 
sutra2. How can this be practically used? In which case it would mean:

   mi klama je sutra lo tricu
   "I go [and-am-fast] from the tree."

Is this not weird?

>        I don't know why this is a such a problem for you.  

Apart from the aforementioned practical problems your idea presents, I 
think it's also strange for places to disappear from a *tanru*. In my 
opinion, when you join two things with {je} (in this case the sumti 
places), then you claim that they both apply, not that the places 
disappear when nothing can satisfy the claim. It seems somewhat 
backwards.

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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