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Re: [lojban-beginners] how do you use sumka'i to refer to an outer bridi?




On Monday, April 28, 2014 5:33:08 PM UTC-4, xorxes wrote:
most predicates that involve properties presuppose that things can have properties "to a degree". For example in "ko'a zmadu ko'e ko'i", both ko'a and ko'e could have property ko'i, but ko'a has more of it. 
 
.uasai se'anai mi ca pu'o djuno, So to distinguish a state from a property, could I say that properties and states are the same except a state denotes a binary "has it / doesn't have it," and a property denotes a scalar "degree to which it has it / doesn't have it?"  Except states don't have an implicit {ce'u}...
 
In other words:  If {lo nu zo'e blanu} occurs, then {ja'abo lo za'i zo'e blanu} in {lo ka [ce'u] blanu}.
 
Not sure what you mean by the last part. If "lo nu ko'a blanu" occurs, then "ko'a ckaji lo ka ce'u blanu".
 
Looking back over it, I'm not so sure I know what I meant by that last part...  I think I was trying to say that a state is the (binary) degree of a property.  In this way, everything would have the property of blueness, it's just a matter of whether that property is in the state of TRUE or FALSE at any given moment.  I now disagree with that previous statement...
 
Am I close, or am I just stressing out about this too much?

Probably both :)
 
.ie je .a'enairo'e (PS:  is it fair to logically connect attitudinals as I just did?  I chose a jek because I consider the additive nature of compound attitudinals similar to the vague relationship in tanru.)
 
Again, ki'e .xorxes.
 
mi'e .neit. mu'o

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