Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: Lojban "r"

[tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com>]

On 28 August 2011 05:52, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> ugh.  The way that I pronounced "r" in that audio had absolutely ZERO "e" in
> it (at least to my ears).  Arbitrarily dropping vowels in
> word pronunciation just feels so friggin' unlojbanic that I'm a little
> offput right now.

I take your audio as follows:

  er [ɛ(ː)r]
  eir [eɪr]
  r [ɚː]
  lrfu [lərfu]
  cirlrfu [ʃɪrlərfu]
  cirlerfu [ʃɪrlɛrfu]

  Samples for each IPA symbol: http://www.yorku.ca/earmstro/ipa/
  (Note that, for consonants, he is adding an actual vowel to
illustrate different positional realizations, such that "r" --> [ra:]
& [ara:] & [a:r] )

I don't hear /e/ -- [e] or [ɛ] -- in your "r", but it sounds more like
a vowel than a consonant. And it's certainly not the [r] that you are
using for the other words.

To be more hair-splitting as pertains to the "er/eir" issue: I hear,
if I try, a slight lengthening of the /e/ in your "er", becoming
closer to the length of "eir", but the vowels themselves seem still
distinguishable in the way you pronounce them.


mu'o

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