Yeah I was showing what I understood syllabic r to sound like which is why it sounds so different.
If the question is "which sounds more like e followed by r to me" then I will vote for my "er" over the "er" of "runner" every time.
On Aug 28, 2011 10:26 AM, "tijlan" <
jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28 August 2011 05:52, Luke Bergen <
lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ugh. The way that I pronounced "r" in that audio had absolutely ZERO "e" in
>> it (at least to my ears). Arbitrarily dropping vowels in
>> word pronunciation just feels so friggin' unlojbanic that I'm a little
>> offput right now.
>
> I take your audio as follows:
>
> er [ɛ(ː)r]
> eir [eɪr]
> r [ɚː]
> lrfu [lərfu]
> cirlrfu [ʃɪrlərfu]
> cirlerfu [ʃɪrlɛrfu]
>
> Samples for each IPA symbol:
http://www.yorku.ca/earmstro/ipa/> (Note that, for consonants, he is adding an actual vowel to
> illustrate different positional realizations, such that "r" --> [ra:]
> & [ara:] & [a:r] )
>
> I don't hear /e/ -- [e] or [ɛ] -- in your "r", but it sounds more like
> a vowel than a consonant. And it's certainly not the [r] that you are
> using for the other words.
>
> To be more hair-splitting as pertains to the "er/eir" issue: I hear,
> if I try, a slight lengthening of the /e/ in your "er", becoming
> closer to the length of "eir", but the vowels themselves seem still
> distinguishable in the way you pronounce them.
>
>
> mu'o
>
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