Re: [lojban-beginners] translation check on zo-related quote

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

2011/2/18 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>

On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Michael Turniansky
<mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   For example, could we define the x2 of "broda JA brode" to be the x2 of
> both independently i.e. "x1 broda JA brode x2" (or "x1 x2 broda JA
> brode") -> "x1 broda GIhA brode vau x2" (this certainly seems to be the way
> that jbofi'e understands it. )?

The problem appears when broda and brode don't have parallel place
structures. Does "blanu je zdani" make sense? Is "ta blanu je zdani
mi" the same as "ta blanu mi .ije ta zdani mi"? Is "ta melbi je nixli
li so" the same as "ta melbi li so .ije ta nixli li so"? ("blanu je
zdani" and "melbi je nixli" are examples in CLL, but only the x1 is
considered.)

 

  Yes, those are precisely what they mean.  I don't understand your problem with something being nonsensical/non-grammatical.

  Saying "ta melbi li so" is as nonsensical as "ta melbi je nixli li so".  If you have a problem with the latter, then you have a problem with the former.  As well you should!  It's up to the SPEAKER to make sure that something makes sense.  If you are going to say, for example, "logically-connect tanru with more than one place should be disallowed because you can sometimes put things in the x2 place that make no sense" then you should also say "using the word 'melbi' should be disallowed, because you can sometimes put things inteh x2 place that don't make sense".  Don't throw out a sueful construction/interpretation just because sometimes you can say nonsensical/non-grammatical  things with it (and here btw, I'm using "non-grammatical" in the sense of "using sumti that don't match the specific types called for by the gismu).

 

> That would lead to interesting things like:
> mi bajra jo farlu lo bisli po'o ("I am (runner-iff-faller) only on ice"
> -> Ice is the only surface I fall on when I'm running on that surface, and
> I fall on the ice when I'm running on ice.

"mi bajra jo farlu lo bisli lo tuple"?

And even if one could contemplate falling from one's legs, I can't
imagine merging the gait with the gravity well (but I have no idea how
to specify either).

 

  (see above)

         --gejyspa

 

 

-- 
You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group.
To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com.

For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.