Re: [lojban-beginners] Pure-Lojban Dictionary definitions

["Adam D. Lopresto" <adam@pubcrawler.org>]

On Sun, 5 Sep 2010, Alan Post wrote:

> I've been exploring the Pure-Lojban dictionary.  I'm not able to use
> jbofihe to parse the definitions in this dictionary, I presume
> because of the use of x1, x2, ... xN.  Here is the Pure-Lojban definition
> of {dunda}:
>
>  http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/dict.pl?Form=dict.pl1&Query=dunda&Strategy=*&Database=jbo-%3Ejbo&submit=Submit+query
>
> Will someone help me read the definition:
>
>  {x1 noi ponse x2 cu gasnu lo nu x3 co'a ponse x2}
>
> I'm exploring ways in which I can extend {valsi porsi} (Craig's
> Lists) in {lo do ckiku ma zvati} ("Where are your Keys?") to include
> not only the gismu, but the places (predicate arguments) for each gismu
> as well.
>
> I was hoping the Pure-Lojban dictionary would provide a hint as to
> how I might talk about these places,  so I was surprised to see what
> appear to be ungrammatical definitions.

Yeah, the xN shortcuts have always bugged me, too.

> Can someone share a) an understanding of how the definition of {dunda}
> might be translated into something jbofihe can parse

I tend to prefer using {ce'u}, since it's pretty much ideal for this purpose.
So in a context where just a definition is expected, we'd use something like

ce'u xi pa noi ponse ce'u xi re cu gasnu lo nu ce'u xi ci co'a ponse ce'u xi
re

If we wanted write the complete definition, use something like

lo su'u dunda cu su'u ce'u xi pa noi ponse ce'u xi re cu gasnu lo nu ce'u xi
ci co'a ponse ce'u xi re


b) help me
> describe the "beg, borrow, steal" list to include predicate
> arguments as well as the predicate forms themselves?  (this might be
> easier to do with the {skari} list:
>
>  http://lodockikumazvati.org/valsi_porsi/gismu/skari/
>
> Thank you!
>
> -Alan

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