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Re: [lojban-beginners] Where to start?
I'm not personally ready to play the game in real-time: I want to
practice both playing the game and speaking Lojban more before I
do this.
Part of what makes e-mail work for me is that I don't have to be
available at the same time other players are--it is quite difficult
for me to block off an hour or so to play a game, but quite easy for
me to participate in an e-mail thread.
I'll include you in the next game! That makes it you and I so far.
-Alan
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 10:36:51PM -0400, Alex Rozenshteyn wrote:
> I'd love in the {lo do ckiku ma zvati} game. I don't know how well it'd
> work typing, but I'd also be interested in a video-chat version. I've been
> told [1]tinychat.com may be good for this.
>
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Alan Post
> <[2]alanpost@sunflowerriver.org> wrote:
>
> Ok, I'm shamed.
>
> .i coi TheLugal,
>
> My advice is to figure out *why* you want to learn Lojban. What
> are you going to be using Lojban for? After you can articulate that,
> figure out what the simplest thing you could possibly do to achieve
> your goal would be. The tiniest step requiring the least amount of
> effort from you. The less grammar and vocabulary you have to learn
> for this first step, the better. Call it version 1.0 of your vision.
> Explore the links that .aionys. has provided to teach yourself enough
> Lojban to accomplish version 1.0 of your vision.
>
> This gives you a reason, purpose, and a goal for studying Lojban.
> You know what you're trying to accomplish. Once you've accomplished
> your goal you will be using Lojban. You can build from this base,
> wherever your interest takes you.
>
> ni'o
>
> I play a Lojbanic game called {lo do ckiku ma zvati}. The game is
> open to absolute beginners: the first "move" is to copy (as in copy
> and paste, or preferably retype) what was said to you back to the
> person saying it, which you can do without understanding what you
> said. Once you start speaking (typing) Lojban you'll quickly enough
> begin to understand it. If you're interested in playing e-mail me
> privately and I'll start a game with you. (And since this game is
> multi- player this offer is open to anyone else interested as well.)
>
> Welcome!
>
> .i mu'o mi'e .alyn.
>
> On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 07:17:42PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > (Really now, people? It's been three hours and I'm the only one to
> help
> > this person out? For shame! :D )
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Jonathan Jones
> <[1][3]eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 4:13 PM, TheLugal <[2][4]thelugal@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi!
> > I have been interested in lojban for a while, but just now decided to
> > actually start learning it.
> > problem is, I don't know where I should start. So if anyone could've
> > give me a start in the right direction, I would be very grateful.
> > ~ TheLugal.
> >
> > Here's a few links to get you started. I put a star in front of the
> ones
> > that I recommend you start with:
> >
> > * [3][5]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning -
> Contains
> > most if not all resources for learning the language.
> >
> >
> [4][6]http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
> > - All the Smart.fm goals. (Smart.fm is a flashcard learning program -
> > great for vocab.)
> >
> > * [5][7]http://smart.fm/goals/268251 - All the gismu (root words) of
> > Lojban, with full place structure, such as "bacru x1 utters x2"
> >
> > [6][8]http://smart.fm/goals/279583 - All the individual places for
> each
> > gismu, such as "lo bacru an utterer" "lo se bacru an utterance"
> >
> > [7][9]http://smart.fm/goals/266809 - Both of the above two combined
> into
> > one giant lesson.
> >
> > [8][10]http://smart.fm/goals/292653 - All the cmavo, not including
> > combinations, such as ".ui happiness (attitudinal)"
> >
> > * [9][11]http://smart.fm/goals/284287 - All the cmavo in the goal
> above,
> > plus the more common combinations, such as ".uinai unhappiness
> > (attitudinal)"
> >
> >
> [10][12]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
> > - A link to order the print book "The Complete Lojban Language", which
> > describes the grammar of Lojban pretty much in it's entirety. A bit
> > outdated, as there have been a few changes, but nothing horribly
> > important- the biggest one is, we use lo a lot more than le nowadays,
> > because of xorlo. Currently in the process of being updated for a new,
> > more current edition.
> >
> >
> [11][13]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
> > - An online version of the CLL, and slightly more outdated, but still
> > good.
> >
> >
> [12][14]http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
> -
> > "Lojban for Beginners", the first book specifically geared towards
> > teaching new people Lojban. Also a bit outdated thanks to xorlo.
> >
> > *
> [13][15]https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
> -
> > The Lojban Google Wave, a much more current document, meant to replace
> > the "Lojban for Beginners" book. Also available as a plain web page,
> > [14][16]http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
> >
> > Also, there's the Lojban Beginners group, which you've already found,
> > which is a great place to ask questions about basically anything
> related
> > to Lojban, and the IRC channel, #lojban, on freenode, where you can go
> > to talk about or in Lojban, and where our current Lojban instructors
> > (the ones who made the Wave), are pretty much always lurking.
> >
> > Welcome to Lojbanistan!
> > --
> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi
> > patfu do zo'o
> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
> >
> > --
> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi luk. mi
> patfu
> > do zo'o
> > (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )
> >
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> > References
> >
> > Visible links
> > 1. mailto:[20]eyeonus@gmail.com
> > 2. mailto:[21]thelugal@gmail.com
> > 3. [22]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning
> > 4.
> [23]http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
> > 5. [24]http://smart.fm/goals/268251
> > 6. [25]http://smart.fm/goals/279583
> > 7. [26]http://smart.fm/goals/266809
> > 8. [27]http://smart.fm/goals/292653
> > 9. [28]http://smart.fm/goals/284287
> > 10.
> [29]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
> > 11.
> [30]http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
> > 12.
> [31]http://www.tlg.uci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
> > 13.
> [32]https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
> > 14. [33]http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
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> References
>
> Visible links
> 1. http://tinychat.com/
> 2. mailto:alanpost@sunflowerriver.org
> 3. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
> 4. mailto:thelugal@gmail.com
> 5. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning
> 6. http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
> 7. http://smart.fm/goals/268251
> 8. http://smart.fm/goals/279583
> 9. http://smart.fm/goals/266809
> 10. http://smart.fm/goals/292653
> 11. http://smart.fm/goals/284287
> 12. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
> 13. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
> 14. http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
> 15. https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
> 16. http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
> 17. mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
> 18. mailto:lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com
> 19. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en
> 20. mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com
> 21. mailto:thelugal@gmail.com
> 22. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Learning
> 23. http://smart.fm/goals/search?autodetected=lojban&keyword=&language=jbo
> 24. http://smart.fm/goals/268251
> 25. http://smart.fm/goals/279583
> 26. http://smart.fm/goals/266809
> 27. http://smart.fm/goals/292653
> 28. http://smart.fm/goals/284287
> 29. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Complete+Lojban+Language
> 30. http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=The+Lojban+Reference+Grammar
> 31. http://www.tlg.uci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/book1.html
> 32. https://wave.google.com/wave/waveref/googlewave.com/w+iDtofbn8C
> 33. http://jbotcan.org/wave_lesson/old.html
> 34. mailto:lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
> 35. mailto:lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com
> 36. http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en
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