[lojban-beginners] Re:

[ranoritc <ranorith@gmail.com>]

Wooh, really should have looked that word up first. I did mean fanva,
though got the place structure way off. This is why I write in English
too - Thanks for your corrections :)
And yes, Jonathan Jones. The paper, ink and computer monitors are all
valid objects for ti, but a message is something more abstract. Also,
you can't point to the message on my screen, which is what I read. It
is too far away.

Ranorith

ue mi pu ei facki fi le valsi .i zu'edji tu'a zo fanva .i ji'a lo'i
terbri ku porsi lo to'e drani .i mi ji'a ciska bau lo glibau mu'i
la'edi'u .i ckire fi lonu ui do sidju mi .i
doi .aionys. go'u .i mi'u lo pelji e lo xinmo e lo vidni cu se smuni
zo ti .i ku'i lo selcusku cu sucta zmadu .i ji'a lo nu do degysni lo
notci po lo mi vidni zi'e no'u lo se tcidu be mi kei na cumki .i lo
tersei be ri bei do cu dukse .i

mu'o mi'e ranoritc

On Mar 25, 2:13 am, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 6:11 AM, ranoritc <ranor...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It does. Unfortunately, while "ti" might translate as "this thing",
> > the converse isn't always true. From the CLL: "The cmavo ``ti'',
> > ``ta'', and ``tu'' provide only the pointing function of ``this'' and
> > ``that''; they are not used to refer to things that cannot be pointed
> > at."
>
> > It would be like saying in English "this object composed on my
> > Android".
>
> Ah, but I /can/ point to to it. All I have to do is log in to my email and
> open up the message.
>
> Would you say that a piece of paper is qualifies as something that can be
> referenced as {ti}, but the letter written on it isn't?
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> > go'i .i uinaiku'i zo ti fanza zoi gy this thing gy na roroi soi .i
> > la'e zoi gy CLL gy cusku zoi gy The cmavo ``ti'', ``ta'', and ``tu''
> > provide only the pointing function of ``this'' and ``that''; they are
> > not used to refer to things that cannot be pointed at. gy .i la'e de'u
> > simsa lonu cusku bau glibau zoi gy this object composed on my Android
> > gy
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> > PS note: Does "na soi" or even riskier "na roroi soi" work?
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> > On Mar 23, 9:52 am, Jonathan Jones <eyeo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I think a message qualifies as a thing.
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> > > On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 1:46 PM, Lindar <lindartheb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > > "ti" refers to a place or thing. I think "di'u" is much more
> > appropriate.
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> > > > Second.
> > > > {ti} is demonstrative for things in physical space. We have {di'u} for
> > > > -this very reason-. It's like insisting on calling a gorilla a
> > "monkey".
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> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do
> zo'o
> (Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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