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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku
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On Mon, May 09, 2011 at 06:04:26PM -0400, MorphemeAddict wrote:
> It's all trickery and deceit.
> stevo
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Luke Bergen <[1]lukeabergen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Exactly. That's why I'm saying that it COULD be understood to be similar
> to something in english like "big-foot does not exist. But if he does, I
> imagine that he goes to sleep sometimes".
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <[2]mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah, but I teach them valuable life lessons -- like ascertaining
> exactly what "all" involves in a given transaction before embraking on
> a task. And they're all too smart to fall for it any more :-)
> Your sentence doesn't assert anything about what would happen if there
> were >0 9-tailed dogs. It makes the claim that there ARE NO 9-tailed
> dogs, and that they like bones. (but again, you can say anything about
> them, since there are 0 of them, and still be making a true
> statement).
> --gejyspa
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Luke Bergen <[3]lukeabergen@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> haha, gejyspa, you're kind of a jerk ;)
> I guess it could also be a way of translating stuff from english
> like "if there WERE 9-tailed-dogs, they would probably like bones"
> -> {pe'i lo no sozrebge'u cu nelci la'a tu'a lo bongu}
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:53 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <[4]mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> No, no, it's ALWAYS true. And I didn't say it was necessarily
> useful, I just said it wsan't nonsense. After all, I use the
> equivalent English with my kids all the time -- you know, like
> "I'll give you all the dollars in my pocket if you clean your
> room....Good job, I now give you the zero dollars that are in my
> pocket."
> --gejyspa
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:50 PM, Luke Bergen
> <[5]lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> But what's the purpose. {lo no gerku cu crino cirla .ije lo no
> gerku cu se rebla}. If you can say anything about {lo no gerku}
> (whether it is true or false) then what is the purpose of it?
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2011 at 3:44 PM, Michael Turniansky
> <[6]mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> 2011/5/7 Jorge Llamb�as <[7]jjllambias@gmail.com>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2011 at 11:51 PM, Pierre Abbat
> <[8]phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
> >
> > What about "ro lo no prane ke xirdegmei namcu cu gumpilji
> lo su'o so ficysi'u
> > namcu"? ("xirdegmei" is opposed to "landegmei".) It has
> been proved that they
> > must have at least nine different factors, that they are
> not divisible by
> > 105, etc.; but no one has found a single one, and some
> mathematicians suspect
> > they don't exist.
>
> If you are saying that "ro lo no broda cu brode" could be
> interpreted
> as "if there were any broda, they would brode, but in fact
> there
> aren't any broda", then I guess you could interpret it that
> way. From
> a logical point of view "lo no broda" is both a referring
> expression
> and not referring to anything, so we can only try things
> like mixing
> two different contexts to make sense of it.
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
> I don't believe "lo no gerku cu blabi" to be self
> contradictory/nonsense.
> Consider a room containing three white dogs -- lo ci gerku cu
> blabi
> I take one away -- lo re gerku cu blabi
> I take another away -- lo pa gerku cu blabi
> I take the last one away -- lo no gerku cu blabi
> Of course, when I take the last one away, I can equally
> truthfully say "lo no gerku cu xekri". But in all those cases
> I can say "ro gerku [poi zvati lo kumfa ku'o] cu blabi". It's
> jsut a question of whether I am specifying their cardinality
> (ci,re,pa,no) or not (ro).
> --gejyspa
>
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