Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: ci lo gerku vs lo ci gerku

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 7:35 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> You can't have a se broda without a broda, in some sense.

I agree. That's why you can't really say that the empty set is a se
cmima, and why "se cmima" is not a very good word for "set" (and
"botpi" is not a very good word for bottles without lids).

> The broda might
> not be a "thing" (in a slightly looser sense than {dacti}), but it must
> "exist".

What exactly is the argument, then? That "nomei" must make logical
sense only because it is grammatical? "nomei" only makes sense when
you allow yourself to talk about nothing as a thing. It can make for
some interesting philosophical ponderings, but it's not part of
ordinary predicate logic. In predicate logic you only deal with
things, not with things that count and quasi-things that don't count.
If it exists in a logical sense, then it immediately counts as one,
not zero.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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