[lojban-beginners] Re: [lojban] mabla notci

["Adam D. Lopresto" <adam@pubcrawler.org>]

ki'u ma lei mabla te vecnu cu ba'e ca vi te notci

The reason you're having trouble reading it is that you're mistaking the main
selbri.  The main selbri is not {vecnu}, it appears after {cu}, and in this
case it is {te notci}.  Elaborating a bit

ki'u ma	             With what explanation/justification (why)
lei mabla te vecnu   the butt-hole buyers (should be {le mabla vecnu}, the
                     butt-hole sellers)  This is the first sumti
cu                   about to come to the real brivla
ba'e ca              *NOW*
vi                   here (used metaphorically, this mailing list)
te notci	         are the senders of message(s)

So it amounts to "Why are the butt-hole [buyers, meant sellers] sending
messages here *now*?"

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004, John Johnson wrote:

> I'm a beginner and having a hard time making sense of this.
>
> ki'u ma	lei mabla		te vecnu		cu ba'e ca 
> vi	      te notci
> why		derogatory	(3rd) buyer	/now/		here 
> (3rd) message author
>
> This seems to translate to:
> why sold to butt-holes now a message authored by here
>
> The reference materials say that TE swaps the first and third places, so:
>
> vecnu
> x1 sells x2 to x3 for amount x4
>
> te vecnu
> x3 is sold x2 by x1 for amount x4
>
> from above:
> lei mabla is sold cu ba'e ca by vi for amount te notci
> butt-holes are sold now by here for amount the message author
>
> Can someone help me parse this, please?
>
> Thanks,
>  JJ
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, Sep 28, 2004, at 08:13 US/Eastern, Robin Lee Powell wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 09:34:31AM +1200, mikevdg@gulik.co.nz wrote:
> > > Quoting doug <kyrzar@hotmail.com>:
> > >
> > > > ki'u ma lei mabla te vecnu cu ba'eca vi te notci
> > >
> > > (because of reason) (what) (the mass described) (****ing!!) 
> > > (3rd-person-sell)
> > > (very-during) (here) (3rd-person message).
> >
> > "Why are the sellers *now* here writing?"
> >
> > Using "lei" to gloss English plurals is somewhat bad usage, but
> > unfortunately common.
> >
> > > Is he complaining about the spam?
> >
> > It seems likely.
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > --
> > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/
> > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!"

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