[lojban-beginners] Re: logic in english sayings

[jm <jeffm@ghostgun.com>]

On 20/10/2005, at 6:20 PM, Jessica wrote:

> I would have it as
>
> .i le temci cu denpa no lo prenu
>
> that-which-I-call time wait none-of those-which-really-are people
>
> 'Time and tide' is an English idiom, and thus translating it into 
> lojban word for word would be malglico.


Just a quick reply. I tend to work backwards so I was looking at 
getting the logic correct. I'm actually all over the shop I'm not doing 
anything in order.  I shouldn't be so lazy I should start learning at 
the beginning. Your both right (you and thomas) I've drop words. 
Anyway, I'm going to digress onto boolean logic.

   A [something] B  => C
lo temci | lo ctaru | denpa prenu | e | a |
---------+----------+-------------+---+---+
 False   | False    | False       | F | F |
 False   | True     | False       | F | T |
 True    | False    | False       | F | T |
 True    | True     | False       | T | T |

"e" as I under stand it is logical "and" while "a"  is logical "or" as 
shown above. So, thinking aloud, rewording the saying still in english 
would be,

Neither time nor tide waits for any man/person.

or possibly

There does not exist "time" and there does not exist "tide" which waits 
for any person

Now that's starting to sound like SQL. It may be better to write it,

It is always-false/never-true that ((time or tide) waits for 
man/person).

Does this fit "naku"?

naku roda lo temci .a lo ctaru denpa lo prenu

Is that any better or have I only made things worse? Have I missed a 
"zo'u" or da/de?

Time to leave it for another day. This 5 minute exercise is taking a 
lot longer than I planned on. So much for a quick reply.

Jeff.